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I noticed this just last night when I was playing on my server, vehicle brake lights are working backward to how they should be (both in the real life aspect and in comparison to 3.4.4).

In 3.4.4 brake lights only turned on when you pushed the 'S' (or down arrow) key when your vehicle was moving forward. Now they are on when ever you aren't pushing a key, but turn off when you push S.

So basically, brake lights are only on when your not braking.


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Technically pushing S != braking, since S is also reverse.

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danpaul88 wrote on Thu, 12 June 2014 08:25

Technically pushing S != braking, since S is also reverse.

It has the same result beings it only lit up your tail lights when you were driving forward and you did it.

Technically the brake lights being on when you are accelerating forward or backward makes even less sense.


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Re: Vehicle break lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #487824 is a reply to message #487821] Thu, 12 June 2014 08:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Break:

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Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #487825 is a reply to message #487824] Thu, 12 June 2014 10:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Haha good catch, thanks.

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Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #487837 is a reply to message #487825] Fri, 13 June 2014 23:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I stand corrected, after further playing I've noticed the brake lights are on whenever you aren't pushing a direction key, so you could be stationary and push the left arrow key, and that will turn the lights off, or you could be coasting at 60mph and not press any direction keys and the break lights are on.

Re: Vehicle break lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488036 is a reply to message #487822] Fri, 27 June 2014 05:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Thu, 12 June 2014 08:25

Technically pushing S != braking, since S is also reverse.

Also I'd like to point out that in stock Renegade when you push S while traveling forward the wheels lock up, and the engine doesn't rev up until after your vehicle has come to a complete stop, thus in essence it is reverse.

Stock Implementation of brake lights:
Coasting (no keys pressed): Dim
Accelerating Forward: Dim
Accelerating Backward: Dim
Back Arrow Pressed while driving forward: Bright
Back Arrow Pressed while driving forward and turning: Bright

4.X Implementation of brake lights:
Coasting (no keys pressed): Bright
Accelerating Forward: Dim
Accelerating Backward: Dim
Back Arrow Pressed while driving forward: Dim
Back Arrow Pressed while driving forward and turning: Dim

I put brake lights on every vehicle in Rp2 (and there is a good 50+ different types of vehicles in it) so please understand why I'd be annoyed by them working less correct than the original implementation.


Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488056 is a reply to message #487821] Fri, 27 June 2014 21:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok, it turns out the change in 4.x was an intentional behavior change by Saberhawk that was supposed to make the lights come on when breaking only. But we never could get it to work right.

And no, as already mentioned many times, this WONT get changed any further for stock renegade.


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jonwil wrote on Fri, 27 June 2014 22:44

ok, it turns out the change in 4.x was an intentional behavior change by Saberhawk that was supposed to make the lights come on when breaking only. But we never could get it to work right.

And no, as already mentioned many times, this WONT get changed any further for stock renegade.


3.4.4 made sense, 4.x implementation doesn't make sense, brake lights aren't on when your costing, and they don't turn off when you turn the steering wheel, just put it back the way it was in stock Ren. Its a good thing this isn't Microsoft or the share holders would be demanding a change of management. Whats That


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Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488072 is a reply to message #487821] Sat, 28 June 2014 12:27 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree that the 4.x way does not make sense. The answer to every bug report is the same though: TT scripts.dll for Renegade is past EOL; there will not be a new release with bug fixes, so this bug will not be fixed. If TT had shareholders, they would most likely have demanded us to stop supporting Renegade a long time ago. Wink

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Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488075 is a reply to message #488072] Sat, 28 June 2014 13:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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StealthEye wrote on Sat, 28 June 2014 13:27

I agree that the 4.x way does not make sense. The answer to every bug report is the same though: TT scripts.dll for Renegade is past EOL; there will not be a new release with bug fixes, so this bug will not be fixed. If TT had shareholders, they would most likely have demanded us to stop supporting Renegade a long time ago. Wink

Usually share holders don't demand the team to abandon the only project that still has people using it however Satisfied


Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488094 is a reply to message #488075] Sun, 29 June 2014 01:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Jerad Gray wrote on Sat, 28 June 2014 22:28

StealthEye wrote on Sat, 28 June 2014 13:27

I agree that the 4.x way does not make sense. The answer to every bug report is the same though: TT scripts.dll for Renegade is past EOL; there will not be a new release with bug fixes, so this bug will not be fixed. If TT had shareholders, they would most likely have demanded us to stop supporting Renegade a long time ago. Wink

Usually share holders don't demand the team to abandon the only project that still has people using it however Satisfied

Err... They would if that project didn't bring in any money anymore. Guess what? TT never brought in any money, which wasn't a problem because the members were internally motivated to fix Ren. Now there aren't any motivated members left (for Ren).

Edit: Although I do agree with you that it'd be awesome if someone would fix these bugs and support it, of course.


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Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488112 is a reply to message #488094] Sun, 29 June 2014 15:14 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 01:59

Jerad Gray wrote on Sat, 28 June 2014 22:28

StealthEye wrote on Sat, 28 June 2014 13:27

I agree that the 4.x way does not make sense. The answer to every bug report is the same though: TT scripts.dll for Renegade is past EOL; there will not be a new release with bug fixes, so this bug will not be fixed. If TT had shareholders, they would most likely have demanded us to stop supporting Renegade a long time ago. Wink

Usually share holders don't demand the team to abandon the only project that still has people using it however Satisfied

Err... They would if that project didn't bring in any money anymore. Guess what? TT never brought in any money, which wasn't a problem because the members were internally motivated to fix Ren. Now there aren't any motivated members left (for Ren).

Edit: Although I do agree with you that it'd be awesome if someone would fix these bugs and support it, of course.


The thing is, there are people who are motivated enough to continue supporting stock renegade.
Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488113 is a reply to message #487821] Sun, 29 June 2014 15:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And if they'd reported the bugs when we asked over and over again for people to beta test 4.x versions they would have been fixed. Waiting for 4.1 final release and the end of support before you start reporting bugs doesn't help. I know Jerad had his reasons but it hasn't worked out well.

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danpaul88 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 15:18

And if they'd reported the bugs when we asked over and over again for people to beta test 4.x versions they would have been fixed. Waiting for 4.1 final release and the end of support before you start reporting bugs doesn't help. I know Jerad had his reasons but it hasn't worked out well.


Any software developer knows that its impossible to find every bug especially before release. Why not let someone else who is still invested in stock renegade take over development if the current team wants to move onto the 5.0 and the other non-stock branches.
Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488118 is a reply to message #488116] Sun, 29 June 2014 16:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:25

danpaul88 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 15:18

And if they'd reported the bugs when we asked over and over again for people to beta test 4.x versions they would have been fixed. Waiting for 4.1 final release and the end of support before you start reporting bugs doesn't help. I know Jerad had his reasons but it hasn't worked out well.


Any software developer knows that its impossible to find every bug especially before release. Why not let someone else who is still invested in stock renegade take over development if the current team wants to move onto the 5.0 and the other non-stock branches.



Why not just go play with your little java apps and stop bugging people with your bs.

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Java apps? When did I ever talk about Java Apps?
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roszek wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 17:41

dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:25

danpaul88 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 15:18

And if they'd reported the bugs when we asked over and over again for people to beta test 4.x versions they would have been fixed. Waiting for 4.1 final release and the end of support before you start reporting bugs doesn't help. I know Jerad had his reasons but it hasn't worked out well.


Any software developer knows that its impossible to find every bug especially before release. Why not let someone else who is still invested in stock renegade take over development if the current team wants to move onto the 5.0 and the other non-stock branches.



Why not just go play with your little java apps and stop bugging people with your bs.



Java is gross, no one should play with it.


Re: Vehicle brake lights working opposite to stock Ren [message #488123 is a reply to message #488121] Sun, 29 June 2014 19:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 18:44

Java apps? When did I ever talk about Java Apps?


When you trolled your way onto a certain server and asked for access to that server's source code zunnie asked you if you knew any coding, and you told him and I: "I know some java and I wrote a few phone apps".

But I guess when people tell enough lies they tend to forget.


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roszek wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 19:40

dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 18:44

Java apps? When did I ever talk about Java Apps?


When you trolled your way onto a certain server and asked for access to that server's source code zunnie asked you if you knew any coding, and you told him and I: "I know some java and I wrote a few phone apps".

But I guess when people tell enough lies they tend to forget.






No I said I contribute to android open source project. There is a big difference between writing phone apps and actually contributing to an operating system.

And when did I troll myself onto a server.

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roszek wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:41

dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:25


Any software developer knows that its impossible to find every bug especially before release. Why not let someone else who is still invested in stock renegade take over development if the current team wants to move onto the 5.0 and the other non-stock branches.



Why not just go play with your little java apps and stop bugging people with your bs.



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roszek wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 21:09

roszek wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:41

dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:25


Any software developer knows that its impossible to find every bug especially before release. Why not let someone else who is still invested in stock renegade take over development if the current team wants to move onto the 5.0 and the other non-stock branches.



Why not just go play with your little java apps and stop bugging people with your bs.






Why don't you post something constructive in this topic rather than bringing up unrelated drama.
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dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 22:33

roszek wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 21:09

roszek wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:41

dblaney1 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 16:25


Any software developer knows that its impossible to find every bug especially before release. Why not let someone else who is still invested in stock renegade take over development if the current team wants to move onto the 5.0 and the other non-stock branches.



Why not just go play with your little java apps and stop bugging people with your bs.






Why don't you post something constructive in this topic rather than bringing up unrelated drama.


Why don't stop acting like you are even remotely capable of handling TT development..

You keep bringing up the fact that "someone" else should continue development for 4.1, just come out and say you want to take over and ruin Renegade for all of us..
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dblaney1 wrote on Mon, 30 June 2014 01:25

danpaul88 wrote on Sun, 29 June 2014 15:18

And if they'd reported the bugs when we asked over and over again for people to beta test 4.x versions they would have been fixed. Waiting for 4.1 final release and the end of support before you start reporting bugs doesn't help. I know Jerad had his reasons but it hasn't worked out well.


Any software developer knows that its impossible to find every bug especially before release. Why not let someone else who is still invested in stock renegade take over development if the current team wants to move onto the 5.0 and the other non-stock branches.

The TT team has this option under consideration.


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