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Question :

Has this Side been affected by the Heartbleed Problem and if so is there already an update available?

Thx


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487203 is a reply to message #487202] Wed, 16 April 2014 16:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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This site doesn't even appear to support SSL, so no.
Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487204 is a reply to message #487202] Wed, 16 April 2014 16:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Considering the NSA people specifically targetted the Renegade Forums with this Heartbleed problem, which they added in the guise of an innocent pull request, it completely affects you.

The recommended action is to delete your account, and never come back again.


For your personal safety, I recommend staying off anything Renegade X as well. If you REALLY want to be safe, cancel your plan with your ISP and/or disconnect your computer from the internet. For maximum safety, never turn on your computer again.

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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487207 is a reply to message #487203] Wed, 16 April 2014 20:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Agent wrote on Wed, 16 April 2014 18:08

This site doesn't even appear to support SSL, so no.

At least we know DJ even remotely tried to investigate this problem instead of just participating in the media-induced mass hysteria like the sheep he fucking is...

tl;dr this site doesn't use SSL so no, it is not affected by that issue. if you were more intelligent than a Toast, you would know this.


-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29

Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade Thumbs Up

Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487208 is a reply to message #487202] Wed, 16 April 2014 23:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Agreed - there was no reason to pay for an SSL cert for a forum, so we were not affected.

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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487209 is a reply to message #487208] Thu, 17 April 2014 01:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 07:20

no reason to pay for an SSL cert for a forum


Well, there is the fact that it means user passwords are sent in plain text over the internet whenever they login... anyone unwise enough to share passwords with other sites is then broadcasting their login details to anyone who happens to be listening, especially if they are connecting over an unencrypted WiFi connection.


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487210 is a reply to message #487208] Thu, 17 April 2014 05:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 08:20

Agreed - there was no reason to pay for an SSL cert for a forum, so we were not affected.


Thanks. Thumbs Up


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487212 is a reply to message #487208] Thu, 17 April 2014 09:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 08:20

Agreed - there was no reason to pay for an SSL cert for a forum, so we were not affected.

Wel,, ofcourse there's this thing called encryption, which someone should appreciate if he/she logs in over a public wifi. Oh and you can actually get free SSL certs if your site is non-profit.


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487216 is a reply to message #487202] Thu, 17 April 2014 11:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 01:21

Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 07:20

no reason to pay for an SSL cert for a forum


Well, there is the fact that it means user passwords are sent in plain text over the internet whenever they login... anyone unwise enough to share passwords with other sites is then broadcasting their login details to anyone who happens to be listening, especially if they are connecting over an unencrypted WiFi connection.


That has been the case with these forums since Day 1, even when Westwood hosted them. The fact that I've run these forums for 11 years and you're just now bringing it up doesn't put it very high on my priority list to do the work and pay for.


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487226 is a reply to message #487202] Thu, 17 April 2014 13:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'm pretty inclined to agree with Crimson in this case, she more or less runs this forum out of charity at this point, seeing as this forum is dedicated to a game that was released in 2002... I don't really think "security" should be that high of a priority.

Plus, if this whole HeartBleed thing is to be believed then our passwords would have been exposed anyway due to the OpenSSL bug!


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487248 is a reply to message #487217] Thu, 17 April 2014 23:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 20:50

danpaul88 wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 01:21

Crimson wrote on Thu, 17 April 2014 07:20

no reason to pay for an SSL cert for a forum


Well, there is the fact that it means user passwords are sent in plain text over the internet whenever they login... anyone unwise enough to share passwords with other sites is then broadcasting their login details to anyone who happens to be listening, especially if they are connecting over an unencrypted WiFi connection.


That has been the case with these forums since Day 1, even when Westwood hosted them. The fact that I've run these forums for 11 years and you're just now bringing it up doesn't put it very high on my priority list to do the work and pay for.

It's not like much changed in those 11 years... Sarcasm It's most certainly not that the use of SSL has risen nor the need for keeping your password secure. Also, I find it quite lame that you're not even responding to my statement that you can get a *FREE* SSL certificate (http://www.startssl.com/).

Then again, it is obvious that security isn't very high on your priority list since the forums still use a (RC) version of FUDForums from 2007.


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487253 is a reply to message #487202] Fri, 18 April 2014 03:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It's not that security isn't high on my priority list... it's that these forums aren't high on my priority list. You shouldn't be using the same password here that you would use at your bank, credit card, etc anyway. You're not wrong in that I *should* make the logins or maybe the whole forums served over SSL... but you're just not going to convince me that it's worth the time or effort to do it. These are the 11 year old forums for a 12 year old game, and they are visited by very few people at this point. Even you quit doing work for Renegade by now...

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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487257 is a reply to message #487253] Fri, 18 April 2014 08:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson wrote on Fri, 18 April 2014 12:33

It's not that security isn't high on my priority list... it's that these forums aren't high on my priority list. You shouldn't be using the same password here that you would use at your bank, credit card, etc anyway. You're not wrong in that I *should* make the logins or maybe the whole forums served over SSL... but you're just not going to convince me that it's worth the time or effort to do it. These are the 11 year old forums for a 12 year old game, and they are visited by very few people at this point. Even you quit doing work for Renegade by now...

Fair argument. Maybe someone else is up for the task though?


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487258 is a reply to message #487202] Fri, 18 April 2014 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sorry, i didnt want to cause a discussion about this, just was a bit worried, thx again Crimson for stating clear whats up here.

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-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Fri, 18 April 2014 09:23

Sorry, i didnt want to cause a discussion about this, just was a bit worried, thx again Crimson for stating clear whats up here.


It's ok. EWD loves finding when I'm doing things wrong and harping on about it endlessly. You didn't know you were going to give him an opening to badger me again.

The thing is: everyone bails on Renegade at some point. I am one of the few willing to continue hosting whatever needs hosting, and maintaining necessary domain registrations until the day I die. I don't trust anyone else to make that same commitment that I made 11 years ago when I bid for these forums.

This is quite literally the first time anyone has wanted me to put SSL on a game forum... and to just be asking now when the forums are barely visited at all is just plain madness.


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487265 is a reply to message #487202] Fri, 18 April 2014 14:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yeah I personally do appreciate you hosting these, despite the content some of these idiots spout, and I'd rather the forums not go down over a simple technicality like that. There's been enough beef on these forums these days, let's just drop this issue and move on. Razz

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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487266 is a reply to message #487265] Fri, 18 April 2014 15:59 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ethenal wrote on Fri, 18 April 2014 14:40

Yeah I personally do appreciate you hosting these, despite the content some of these idiots spout, and I'd rather the forums not go down over a simple technicality like that. There's been enough beef on these forums these days, let's just drop this issue and move on. Razz


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I am working on upgrading them and moving them to another server I have that's more stable... but I'm kinda being pulled in a few different directions these last few months... some of which are serious obligations, and others that are purely social/fun. Razz

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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487268 is a reply to message #487202] Sat, 19 April 2014 00:49 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Crimson, let it be clear that I wasn't necessarily pushing for SSL, I just couldn't agree with the statement that there's no reason for SSL. If you just stated that you didn't want to invest the time the first time round, that would've been OK. It makes total sense.

I know we've had our beef, but please, understand that I'm not always attacking you. I'm very critical and have difficulty in settling for inconclusive arguments and thus search for the complete explanation.

Ethenal is right in that the forums shouldn't go down because of something like this. On the other hand, it would be nice if someone would spend some time in upgrading it, now wouldn't it? I don't know who would, but if you don't express the wish then none will offer to do so Wink


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Re: Heartbleed Issue? [message #487289 is a reply to message #487202] Mon, 21 April 2014 11:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That seemed pretty unwarranted liquid ... why is everyone on renegade so brutal? EWD has some solid points and Crimson countered them to with EWD agreed with and then you fly off the deep end .. why am I not surprised?
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Jesse wrote on Mon, 21 April 2014 20:45

That seemed pretty unwarranted liquid ... why is everyone on renegade so brutal? EWD has some solid points and Crimson countered them to with EWD agreed with and then you fly off the deep end .. why am I not surprised?

It's the way of Ren forums. At times I forget that Chew's law (or at least a variation thereof) very much applies at this forum.


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