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BRING IT BAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAACK!

So how come it was never continued? Surely it can only benefit the entire player base.

Advertise the additional download, and hopefully, everybody will get it, and BENEFIT!

Think of the benefits, my god, think of the benefits. The benefits are simply astounding.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482949 is a reply to message #482944] Mon, 05 August 2013 12:58 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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If you're talking about the building bars cheat, 4.0 doesn't support running cheats.

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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482950 is a reply to message #482944] Mon, 05 August 2013 13:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ignore him. He was trolling on jelly forums talking in the same retarded fashion lol. It's not worth it.

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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482954 is a reply to message #482949] Mon, 05 August 2013 16:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 05 August 2013 21:58

If you're talking about the building bars cheat, 4.0 doesn't support running cheats.


Lmao.. Building Bar CHEAT, cant believe PPL still consider this a Cheat, newbies.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482955 is a reply to message #482954] Mon, 05 August 2013 16:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 01:00

danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 05 August 2013 21:58

If you're talking about the building bars cheat, 4.0 doesn't support running cheats.


Lmao.. Building Bar CHEAT, cant believe PPL still consider this a Cheat, newbies.

LOL, calling DanPaul a newbie! He has done more good for Renegade than you will in your entire life.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482959 is a reply to message #482954] Mon, 05 August 2013 17:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 05 August 2013 16:00

danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 05 August 2013 21:58

If you're talking about the building bars cheat, 4.0 doesn't support running cheats.


Lmao.. Building Bar CHEAT, cant believe PPL still consider this a Cheat, newbies.


yah its not a cheat. You could just tap J or K, rapidly, to garner the same info. But that could lead to carpel tunnel disease. And the last thing we people want, is disease.

If everybody had this HUD upgrade, it wouldn't be detrimental.
Goku GTFO of here man. This aint trolling. This is a pointing out of potential benefits, which YOU could enjoy just as much as me.

Imagine, you download scripts 4.0, and it comes with the scrolling minimap and building bar health data. EVERYBODY has the perk then. Win win!

But, are there any plans to re enable it's support?


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482962 is a reply to message #482959] Mon, 05 August 2013 18:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 02:52

But, are there any plans to re enable it's support?

I'm not a TT member but I can say with pretty much 100% certainty: No Thumbs Up


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482966 is a reply to message #482955] Mon, 05 August 2013 23:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 01:07

-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 01:00

danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 05 August 2013 21:58

If you're talking about the building bars cheat, 4.0 doesn't support running cheats.


Lmao.. Building Bar CHEAT, cant believe PPL still consider this a Cheat, newbies.

LOL, calling DanPaul a newbie! He has done more good for Renegade than you will in your entire life.


That wasnt referred to the work he did for Renegade, the comment he just left with calling BB a cheat is an unqualified comment, and to nothing else it was referred.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482970 is a reply to message #482944] Tue, 06 August 2013 02:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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cheat
/CHēt/
Verb
Act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, esp. in a game or examination: "she cheats at cards".
Noun
A person who behaves dishonestly in order to gain an advantage.
Synonyms
verb. deceive - swindle - trick - defraud - fool - bamboozle
noun. fraud - swindler - humbug - deceiver - trickster


I'd say a permanent on screen display of all building health bars constitutes an unfair advantage over players who do not have it. Pressing K requires you to actively do something and temporarily lose focus on the battlefield, as opposed to passively waiting to be notified via a permanent HUD element.



Anyway, this has been debated hundreds of times in these forums before and debating it yet again is pointless. The TT team considers it a cheat and therefore will not be supporting it. That is the answer to the question the OP asked, hence why I posted it.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482974 is a reply to message #482970] Tue, 06 August 2013 07:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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unqualified comment

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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482975 is a reply to message #482944] Tue, 06 August 2013 07:32 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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And besides, the main reason this isn't gonna happen is that shaders.dll used to be open source, and now it isn't. Simple as that!

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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482977 is a reply to message #482944] Tue, 06 August 2013 09:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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another baffling display of DJ's intelligence

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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482978 is a reply to message #482959] Tue, 06 August 2013 10:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 02:52

-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 05 August 2013 16:00

danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 05 August 2013 21:58

If you're talking about the building bars cheat, 4.0 doesn't support running cheats.


Lmao.. Building Bar CHEAT, cant believe PPL still consider this a Cheat, newbies.


yah its not a cheat. You could just tap J or K, rapidly, to garner the same info. But that could lead to carpel tunnel disease. And the last thing we people want, is disease.

If everybody had this HUD upgrade, it wouldn't be detrimental.
Goku GTFO of here man. This aint trolling. This is a pointing out of potential benefits, which YOU could enjoy just as much as me.

Imagine, you download scripts 4.0, and it comes with the scrolling minimap and building bar health data. EVERYBODY has the perk then. Win win!

But, are there any plans to re enable it's support?

If we could sent the patch over the official patcher, we would reconsider adding it in again. However, the chances of that happening are very slim. EA would need to re-establish a QA procedure and execute it for the TT patch, which is something they currently do not seem able to do.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482981 is a reply to message #482944] Tue, 06 August 2013 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I agree that it has been discussed many times before and there will always be 2 sides on this topic. Fact is stuff like R.G.H. or Bighead is a Cheat, BB Huds arent in the same category therefore it isnt, but ye,lets keep it at this point, no need to discuss it again. Besides that im pretty sure the main problem with the BBs has something to do with the current version of shaders, im technical not that into the differences but from what i have been told it has to do with previous versions beeing public and the current version is not open source, but im not really informed bout this, just giving my 2 cents to it...

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-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 12:38

I agree that it has been discussed many times before and there will always be 2 sides on this topic. Fact is stuff like R.G.H. or Bighead is a Cheat, BB Huds arent in the same category therefore it isnt, but ye,lets keep it at this point, no need to discuss it again.

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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482983 is a reply to message #482981] Tue, 06 August 2013 11:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 10:38

Besides that im pretty sure the main problem with the BBs has something to do with the current version of shaders, im technical not that into the differences but from what i have been told it has to do with previous versions beeing public and the current version is not open source, but im not really informed bout this, just giving my 2 cents to it...


shaders.dll has changed significantly since 3.x and is no longer open source as of 4.0 because it would have been even more likely used to create cheats. It's outright gone in 4.1.
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Upgraded HUD is not a cheat.

What, you think tapping K deters people from the game. You tap it, it shows it's screen for a split second, you acknowledge the status of all health bars. One is yellow, the one with the pic of the wf. I'm standing near the wf. RUUUUUUUUUN!

If i had the BB health bars, a split second would be saved. How the fuck is that cheating? having the BB health bars is nothing horrendously game breaking that players become ridiculously over powered.

So a newb gets renegade for the first time, has no clue about map layouts. WELL GUESS WHAT? He's got the scrolling minimap thingy. That'll help him get acquainted faster.

BB health and scrolling minimap is a cool addon, not a cheat. If everyone had it, everyone would agree.

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So it is up to EA? Give me their Renegade representative's email, and I'll ask them, pitch them this.

It should have been there from the get go. I mean what the fuck is the point of the HUD's radar right now? There are no radio commands for enemy forces to the Nrth/East/South?west, just enemy spotted. The compass isn't used that much

Since Jelly server, and all the rest insist on having only team mates shown, the only use the radar has is to determine if there is a friendly tank behind your tank, and to not get in his way.

OOOOOOOOOOOH, BIG FUCKING FEATURE LIST.

So much more could be had with the scrolling minimap and the building bar health.

Hell, I don't even give a fuck about the BB health. I just want scrolling mini map, cause it looks so damn fine.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482985 is a reply to message #482983] Tue, 06 August 2013 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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saberhawk wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 20:01

-TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 10:38

Besides that im pretty sure the main problem with the BBs has something to do with the current version of shaders, im technical not that into the differences but from what i have been told it has to do with previous versions beeing public and the current version is not open source, but im not really informed bout this, just giving my 2 cents to it...


shaders.dll has changed significantly since 3.x and is no longer open source as of 4.0 because it would have been even more likely used to create cheats. It's outright gone in 4.1.


Thx for the Info, that actually explains what i meant more professional Big Ups


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DoMiNaNt_HuNtEr wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 20:30

Upgraded HUD is not a cheat.

What, you think tapping K deters people from the game. You tap it, it shows it's screen for a split second, you acknowledge the status of all health bars. One is yellow, the one with the pic of the wf. I'm standing near the wf. RUUUUUUUUUN!

If i had the BB health bars, a split second would be saved. How the fuck is that cheating? having the BB health bars is nothing horrendously game breaking that players become ridiculously over powered.

So a newb gets renegade for the first time, has no clue about map layouts. WELL GUESS WHAT? He's got the scrolling minimap thingy. That'll help him get acquainted faster.

BB health and scrolling minimap is a cool addon, not a cheat. If everyone had it, everyone would agree.

- - -

So it is up to EA? Give me their Renegade representative's email, and I'll ask them, pitch them this.

It should have been there from the get go. I mean what the fuck is the point of the HUD's radar right now? There are no radio commands for enemy forces to the Nrth/East/South?west, just enemy spotted. The compass isn't used that much

Since Jelly server, and all the rest insist on having only team mates shown, the only use the radar has is to determine if there is a friendly tank behind your tank, and to not get in his way.

OOOOOOOOOOOH, BIG FUCKING FEATURE LIST.

So much more could be had with the scrolling minimap and the building bar health.

Hell, I don't even give a fuck about the BB health. I just want scrolling mini map, cause it looks so damn fine.


Trust me, I've already pitched the idea to the guys @ EA. They are just not able to do it. Maybe if you're willing to send a shitload of cash their way...


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EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Tue, 06 August 2013 16:24


Trust me, I've already pitched the idea to the guys @ EA. They are just not able to do it. Maybe if you're willing to send a shitload of cash their way...


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #482999 is a reply to message #482944] Wed, 07 August 2013 04:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As far as I recall he wouldn't want to do it unless EA gives permission, which makes sense.

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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #483008 is a reply to message #482944] Wed, 07 August 2013 14:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I personally think build bars is far too big of an advantage during a game, sick of games now that literally try to guide you through every little thing instead of just throwing you in the deep end(probably why I like the Dark/Demon souls series so much), plus renegades minimalist HUD is actually quite nice, id rather not have it cluttered with crap.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #483084 is a reply to message #483008] Mon, 12 August 2013 11:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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VuLTiMa wrote on Wed, 07 August 2013 14:19

I personally think build bars is far too big of an advantage during a game, sick of games now that literally try to guide you through every little thing instead of just throwing you in the deep end(probably why I like the Dark/Demon souls series so much), plus renegades minimalist HUD is actually quite nice, id rather not have it cluttered with crap.


No point in changing the games mechanics 11 years down the line


Have you tapped K? Building bars are not an advantage. Its just cool.


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Re: Scrolling Minimap and Building Health [message #483085 is a reply to message #482944] Mon, 12 August 2013 11:13 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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building bars are an advantage; you don't have to press K and interrupt your gameplay to look at that screen
that's an advantage, as is the on-screen mine counter that comes along with many of them

Spongebob c4 is an advantage because it's easier to see
clearscope is an advantage because you don't have to deal with green scope shit
colored tank shots / smoke are an advantage because it's easier to see and dodge stuff

there's lots of things that are advantages that many servers have disallowed in the past

radar hacks and other things are also advantages, just more so than building bars and colored skins and whatnot
do you understand?


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