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This post started off being a response to a PM liquid sent me. About half way down I decided - fuck it, this will be my "what happened" post where I address every concern, every allegation, and not hide anything. People are upset with me, and hopefully we can just have a conversation instead of name-calling and bullshit slung back and forth.

Disclaimer: Even if you think you know what happened, just read everything. It's worth it one way or another.

I'll just start off by saying I currently have no idea what the fuck to do. I've essentially lost my entire community, except for the few who are mentally challenged and have no idea what's going on, and those who genuinely have my back.

I've lost my Renegade servers (Wyld owned the hostnames, Trojan was paying the bills for the last 3 months so even though LSN gave me back access, it lasted 30 minutes as he probably threatened a lawsuit or something and I foolishly didn't back anything up, was spending time making sure they couldn't get on/delete shit), and lost pretty much 95% of the community - which is funny because ever since this war started, they've all turned their backs on me, they've all tried to troll my forums (which i've moved, i've always owned the domain name, never gave that out), and have come into my Minecraft server destroying/trolling shit, even tried to be my friend yet pasted logs over to shaitan or someone else lol.

This one guy; RnD, (has a sister that plays in Jelly, wlfgirl) literally just logged onto my account 5 minutes ago on my server and tried to fuck the whole thing over. Funny thing is, he always regarded himself as mature and said would never stoop to any level below the one he's on. He got my password from the shitty Minecraft logs i've been trying to prevent logging of sensitive shit like PMs and passwords - they stabbed me in the back on that one too.

Man, this whole thing is just so complex it's fucking crazy. Ever since Volcom came to RenCorner he played the unbiased, totally perfect and willing to compromise on everything good-guy card. Flaunting money around was the first thing he did, mentioning how he was a pretty high-up in Honda manufactoring, talked about how he's only 23 years old, making $300k and studying law (yet I seem to know a fuckload more than him, i'll elaborate), throwing up pictures of vintage Corvettes and friends sitting in his yard with his "summer house" sitting what look'd like a mile away with a lambo parked out back. I figured hell, he must be doing something right, of course I knew he didn't get there himself but with the help of his family or at least someone close he knew.

Donations were coming in red hot, on 2 occasions it covered the bills over twice, and at the time I was so incredibly poor I literally couldn't buy anything to eat. My mom was diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer and about 14.5cm (or mm, im not sure of the measurement - but it was quite large) was cut out from her, and she had to go through chemo - and my dad isn't rich, he's a superintendent, making about $40k a year. Living in NY, you could probably imagine it was a tough time. So yes, I did use donations, was I proud of it? Heck no. And if anyone who isn't a faggot would like to see proof of my mom having cancer, just let me know and i'll upload a picture of her ridiculous medical costs for her quarterly MRI exams upon other things, she's happy because in August she'll be "upgrading" to having all those crazy tests happen every half year. Also, not to mention i'm a failure in pretty much every other aspect of life, I came out telling my parents I managed to startup a company and i'm already making a small profit - enough to cover my own petty costs of living.

About a month into Trojan being active in RenCorner (if not less), I was talking about how I was planning on building up a hosting company which RenCorner would advertise, essentially 2 entities helping eachother out. He was in the channel and was interested in "investing" - I thought, hell might as well have an investor, considering the company is non-existant and nothing was done. He asked me "how much do you think it's worth?" - i'm like, should I ask for nothing and just his help, should I get greedy ask for $50k? I didn't wanna be a dick but I didn't care much for a spoiled brat so I just said "a grand flat" - he was instantly cool with it. I thought no problem.

From there, thats when shit went downhill and I wished my young mind was a little bit more experienced with frauds. Right before we "agreed" on the business partnership which was I own 51% of the company, he owns 49%, but I get 75% of the profits - he threw in 2 little details. He wanted to be head admin of RenCorner and that it wouldn't be in 1 large payment, it'd be in a couple, starting off with $400 and then in $200s, every 2-3 weeks.

So I got the $400, and before I gave him head admin, I told shaitan + Wyld what was going down. I knew they were upset, but shaitan knew Trojan from before when they ran Allied-Gaming or whatever so I pretty much bullshitted out saying "Trojan's been an excellent guy over the past month, not even being a moderator and helping people out, considering he has a past friendship with shaitan - Trojan will be a great addition to the team" - or some bullshit like that lol. shaitan shortly found out about the money after and didn't care honestly.

Shortly after he became head admin, I heard about 2-3 times that Trojan was running around telling people to not donate because there wasn't a point, in that "NeronHost would cover the bills" and that if we were ever short on money, Trojan would cover it. And honestly, that's when donations started going downhill. But whatever.

I thought great! I got a great thing going on, i'm still above the guy right? Well, since then - his clique of trolls, morons and immature kids came out of the woodworks. Some of them were annoying, some of them seemed genuinely interested (like iTaLy), and all of them "liked me" (lol, everyone was doing it for a reason, they wanted power, them sluts) and they applied for moderator, essentially getting their footing in RC helping boost Trojan's presence in the community. Two guys stood out from the pack, Applez and Cyanide aka Billabong. They were both frowned upon at first, getting denied moderator and other things - Trojan eventually convinced people to vote in favor of them. At one point or another, Cyanide became a "web developer" who gained access to literally everything, the web server (WHM), the servers, etc all because he was a "developer" who i've literally yet to see develop anything. Applez, since Trojan became head admin literally has been on my ass since day 1 for no reason, giving me shit and trying to teach me how to run my community.

For example, just take a look at this:

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Insane right? I put up with shit like that for months, constantly telling Trojan to put this kid on a leash - he would drag him out into other channels and everyone would assume to yell at him. In fact, those 2 have a brotherly love for eachother, have met up in real life and Trojan has even bought him a necklace. I don't understand it, Trojan said they have one thing in common and that's how their dads are both sluts - which I can see, and Trojan previously said he's trying to make sure Applez doesn't make the same mistakes in life as he did.

Besides that, shit has been smooth sailing till about a month ago. Apparently (I honestly don't remember this, but shaitan does - and somehow it got to Trojan) I threatened to remove Trojan from the community. That's when he offered up $500, and that's where the confusion between Trojan and I evolved into a community that's currently split up into pieces.

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That, was on April 23rd, 3 days after my birthday (according to IRC logs), the next day he sent the $500.
We were both supposed to be "Owners", and we would continue doing things as normal - I sit back and watch my community grow as Trojan guides it. For the most part, we were pretty similar in how we did things and that's the main reason why I didn't mind "profiting" off other people's work.

We were business partners, so I trusted him with my accounts on Limestone and everything. I agreed to changing the "business contact information" part of the OnePortal that LSN has to reflect his information, considering he has been paying the bills for like 2 months now and I can't even remotely afford to pay the bill (although i've found a job since then and can now pay my own bills). As long as I had access, I'd be fine. He also had his own account but the dumbass didn't know how to setup permissions to where he could do anything so we would both use my account. Then it took me about 2 weeks to realize this happened -

http://imageshack.us/a/img14/9981/48940373.png - that was the response to confirm I changed the home address and shit to his name

http://imageshack.us/a/img841/7838/21956605.png - That was the response I never saw until it was too late the he had put a ticket in my name to change the primary over to his username, something we never discussed or agreed on.

If you notice the dates and other random shit it agrees with what i've said. Different ticket numbers, different days, etc. This was well after the money changed hands, etc.

Noticing this happening, this is why it took me about 2 weeks to make the topic about how I was stepping back (which at that point i've been stepped back for a while) (notice how I mention step back and not step DOWN) - I was noticing the small shit he was doing and it urked me badly. I didn't tell anyone about this because well, I didn't think of him as a threat.

One day I got on teamspeak drunk, trying to talk to one of my friends that I played League of Legends with. Applez joins "HAY GAYZ" like, get the fuck out of my channel right? Obnoxious annoying little twat - moved him and the message war started - thats where I threatened to remove Trojan through Applez (apparently for the 2nd time, but this time I do remember) - saying shit like if you don't stop you won't have Trojan to protect you any longer. I got pissed off at being spammed for the night and just got offline - not thinking much about it. I run my mouth a lot, people tell me that lol, and I guess this was a hard reality for me, but of course Applez pasted those logs to Volcom and Volcom ended up removing my forum admin CP access, and every other bit of access I had besides mIRC oper (because he had to go through Trojan for that) and teamspeak admin, I guess for looks? Either way it took me 4 days to realize what happened - it would've taken even longer had it not been for Trojan randomly unbanning people - in this case it was Agent. I just wanted to see who did what in the admin CP when I noticed the button was missing.

Thats when the war started - I threatened to just take back the community since I own the domain name, told shaitan to back everything up because we were going to be in a war with the guy who thinks he's the rightful owner of my community. Well, we got into a big argument and it was in the sake of everyone's best interest it was decided that I would remain without access so I wouldn't "fuck anything up" - and that I was to regain Trojan's trust and we'd go back to normal. It was about 2 weeks of me not popping up on teamspeak, forums, IRC or anything. I was silent, the only thing I did was PM trojan here and there and try to act cool and have some sort of conversation going. He ignored me every single time.

Well, it's my community right? Pop on teamspeak, and i'm talking to Master and Gumby. We're sitting there, having fun and i'm not bothering anyone - then Applez joins the channel (if you remember the TS logs I pasted before, thats what happened between me and Applez) and I just moved him out cause he's not a friend of anyone in that channel lol. He gets pissed off and then joins back saying "you know D4rkz is back and donated to Volcom and it's off the books?" - I said, really now? I just had to get into a conversation with D4rkz, he was our biggest donator and kept us going for that much longer. He stopped donating and resigned around the time Volcom first came - and allegations of me using donation money for pot came about. I was like, man, Trojan is such a fucking snake I can't believe he thinks he can just take my community from me. Yatta yatta yatta, we talk and I *think* I have him on my side again, I told him we should convince shaitan and Wyld to be on my side and we can go back to the heyday of RenCorner, when shit was smooth sailing and we hit our player caps every week. Well, D4rkz pasted our convo to shaitan and shaitan told Volcom I was "still conspiring to take over RenCorner" which resulted in Trojan banning me from the forums, teamspeak, everything basically.

Luckily for myself, I contacted Limestone the day before letting them know that Trojan stole my account, and they confirmed my story entirely, including Trojan logging into my account and creating that ticket which gave him sole access. That gave me a window of about an hour of full access to the entire catelog of servers. What did I do with it? Change passwords, make sure I couldn't get kicked offline while I restart RC back in my power. In that window, Trojan called LSN about 50 times (the guy I called said he wouldn't stop calling, he was trying to get different support guys to see if he could catch a break with a guy who might be more willing to help) and eventually pissed off support enough to get the management involved and effectively lock us both out for the time being. I was promised a call back no matter what, which to this day is yet to happen - and Trojan was given access back i'm assuming because he paid the server bill the last 3 months. What's with people and money, shit makes me wanna put a bullet through my head.

Cronus helped me out, backed up the Minecraft server as well as the website, only because Cronus and I spent 8 hours a night for a week setting up a server dedicated for hosting VPSes and put in a backdoor (as they call it, lmao) for reasons just like this (which honestly I didn't even know about until this whole thing happened.)

What I will never understand is how 98% of the community left with Trojan and trust/respect him over me. Yes i've done things I never should have, but we all do that and we all do things when we're desperate. But how could you trust someone who pays $1,500 just to gain power in a gaming community for a game that's old, and spit on the person who made it all possible? Literally, i'm disgusted by the fact that besides for like 3 people (and others who are clueless of anything ever happening), everyone else left only to somehow get in contact with me and virtually spit in my face. If people think I sold RenCorner because I lost interest in running it (which, at some points I have, and gave the job over to shaitan/Wyld/Trojan, my admins which every single one of them have stabbed me in the back) however they want, they are delusional. Anyone whose smart would've taken the $1,500 and left with a smile knowing they profited off managing idiots. In reality, I should've done that now knowing how many people have a brown nose, but RenCorner means way to much to me, at one point it saved my life because I was emotionally unstable and was on the borderline. RenCorner was the only thing going right in my life and when I thought about the potential it had I literally forgot all the negative emotions inside of me. For people to assume that I sold RenCorner for half of what I got for making some punk a head admin, literally puzzles me. In a business sense, it doesn't make sense.

Also, a lot of people that have expressed their anger with me ever since I "sold" RC seem to be people I thought I was cool with. I am a stoner, i'll admit that, and i'm from the hood part of New York, i'll admit that. I fucked around with people constantly, on teamspeak, in-game, etc. just to make everyone feel closer and more like an actual family. Remember RnD? I was on teamspeak and we were just talking about celebrities we'd fuck - I asked what their number was (how many people they've banged lol) RnD joined, I asked him what his number was, "i'd prefer not to bring my real life into the internet" - so I said "so that means you're a virgin, gotchya" and ever since he's been holding that against me, a crazy grudge - I fucking hate how people think talking about the weather and shit on the news constantly everyday thinks that is what a "community" or "family" should be. I think that's horseshit, I think that if that's the way you wanna communicate with people, you should have every right to - and I never bothered those people, even respect people like Joetorp because they always had some interesting inspirational story to tell me. But everyone else? I joked around with, I didn't want to be an uptight bitchy asshole whose always negative, that isn't me. Anytime people told me I went to far, I apologized and shit moved on. That whole pedophile thing? Really? What a joke. Sarah's sister actually looks just as old as her, people only brought that shit up because i'm getting shots fired at me. Applez, hell even Trojan literally said the same kind of shit I did, directly towards both Sarah and her sister over skype. Fucking bullshit how they even tried to play that card. shaitan knows i'm no pedophile and he was just trolling at that point.

At this point, if things were to go back to normal, ie: I become owner again, shaitan and Wyld remain head admins, i'd look past literally everything that just happened, everyone talking shit, everyone trying to fuck my servers up - everything. I'd stay back and just do my job, guide and try my hardest to patch things up and get along with everybody. I never wanted RenCorner to go down this route, why would I want RenCorner to die, or split up, or have a bunch of people hate me? I've fucked up, atleast I could admit it - some would never give up as much power as I have over the past year and let people do their own things (but in the right way, shaitan knows what I mean) - I was never a power hungry faggot, I did what I did because I was forced to. I wouldn't be the only idiot ever in history to be kicked/banned out of his own community.

RenCorner was a community that gave people 2nd chances, shaitan for instance was being treated worse than a bag of a shit right here on RF with no real home community, same thing with G1D (if I remember correctly atleast) and a couple of others. It was a 2nd chance for everybody, letting people who were banned elsewhere have a fresh start at RenCorner and we wouldn't look at their past. Knowing what you guys no know, would you give me a second chance?

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Re: What actually happened... [message #481434 is a reply to message #481432] Mon, 03 June 2013 08:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: What actually happened... [message #481436 is a reply to message #481432] Mon, 03 June 2013 09:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I thought Ren was dead...

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Re: What actually happened... [message #481437 is a reply to message #481432] Mon, 03 June 2013 09:07 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ani at this point what is done is done. Regardless of how many words you write we are here today with a divided community, words thrown, fingers pointed, feelings hurt, etc.

As I have said all along time is being wasted talking about how we got here. A solution is needed or this is just more time wasted bud.

This has always been between you and Volcom. If you two can't solve this together for the good of the players then the true RenCorner that everyone either loves or hates is done.


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Re: What actually happened... [message #481438 is a reply to message #481432] Mon, 03 June 2013 09:22 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Since when is Volcom even relevant? The only reason why Volcom became such a high power is because I essentially used him for money - to keep RenCorner going. I brought him on, I brought you on, I brought shaitan on.

It's sad that you think I need to even work something out with Trojan, the guy's a douchebag and will stab you in the back and disappear one day.

I can't work things out with Trojan. At this point, i'm considering starting over from scratch and keeping the RenCorner.NET name, considering i've had it since I was 12 I trust you well educated high pieces of society can come up with your own names?

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Re: What actually happened... [message #481439 is a reply to message #481432] Mon, 03 June 2013 09:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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From your standpoint I understand the statement of relevancy. Both of you are taking the position you have rights to RC assets.

You paint a picture of stepping back but retaining the right to come back at anytime and he paints a picture of the opposite. Whether what you say is true and he altered it to fit his personal needs when he saw an opening to "steal" the comm as you have stated remains to be seen as his actions that started all this were simply a result of your pm's to people saying you were going to take the community back over. If it was the case, you played into it giving him the reason. But the problem I have is he was here paying the bills. You were not. So I go back to my original point, you would have nothing to ask for back. You are in essence starting fresh. You have www.rencorner.net and the site. No one is stopping you to rebuild as you would have had to anyway. You said you didn't even have any back-ups. So if Volcom hadn't kept the community going when it would have failed how would you have any files etc. to have a community now? So back to the relevancy subject, Volcom is relevant because he kept files that you would never have had still available.

Now we are back to today, hard facts of today each of you has a assets you are controlling and each of you feel they have a right to it. Regardless of how we got here, you two are the only ones that can solve this. That is my only point. Both of you have your positions and if one of you doesn't compromise then this is over and we all need to move on with our lives.




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Re: What actually happened... [message #481441 is a reply to message #481437] Mon, 03 June 2013 09:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wyld1USA wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 12:07

Ani at this point what is done is done. Regardless of how many words you write we are here today with a divided community, words thrown, fingers pointed, feelings hurt, etc.

As I have said all along time is being wasted talking about how we got here. A solution is needed or this is just more time wasted bud.

This has always been between you and Volcom. If you two can't solve this together for the good of the players then the true RenCorner that everyone either loves or hates is done.



lol the pretend moderator strikes again! Why is it that you think you're important or something?

Ani: What's this shit all about, I see huge drama and I don't want to read it. Give me the TLDR
Re: What actually happened... [message #481443 is a reply to message #481439] Mon, 03 June 2013 10:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Wyld1USA wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 12:46

From your standpoint I understand the statement of relevancy. Both of you are taking the position you have rights to RC assets.

You paint a picture of stepping back but retaining the right to come back at anytime and he paints a picture of the opposite. Whether what you say is true and he altered it to fit his personal needs when he saw an opening to "steal" the comm as you have stated remains to be seen as his actions that started all this were simply a result of your pm's to people saying you were going to take the community back over. If it was the case, you played into it giving him the reason. But the problem I have is he was here paying the bills. You were not. So I go back to my original point, you would have nothing to ask for back. You are in essence starting fresh. You have www.rencorner.net and the site. No one is stopping you to rebuild as you would have had to anyway. You said you didn't even have any back-ups. So if Volcom hadn't kept the community going when it would have failed how would you have any files etc. to have a community now? So back to the relevancy subject, Volcom is relevant because he kept files that you would never have had still available.

Now we are back to today, hard facts of today each of you has a assets you are controlling and each of you feel they have a right to it. Regardless of how we got here, you two are the only ones that can solve this. That is my only point. Both of you have your positions and if one of you doesn't compromise then this is over and we all need to move on with our lives.





I didn't paint the picture though, it was painted for me. I never needed the "right to come back" as I never left, I just left certain duties to people - considering I had no time of day for it. I never stepped down - look through the forum logs like LSN looked through their ticket logs - Trojan painted the picture by moving stuff around, ultimately without my permission and Trojan made himself relevant and look above me. Legally, and intentionally - I never ever put that guy above me in terms of asset control, and power. He did that himself, that's where the "stealing" comes into play.

It didn't start with me PMing people saying I was going to take the community back over, it started with me PMing people saying I was going to remove Trojan. That's the key difference. He's only been paying the bills for 3 months now. You're telling me for the past year, I haven't been managing the differences? Sure we made enough to carry over for 2 months at times - but do the math yourself and you'll find out the donations in the end didn't cover the cost. I still put my own money into it. I even put the money I got off Trojan into the community.

The community never has failed though, not until Trojan forced me to ultimately put it down. The same way he was "forced" to remove me because of how he felt threatened - which as the owner and founder of RC he had every right to think that way.


@ACK - Moneybags Volcom comes out of no where, flaunts money, buys head admin, buys co-ownership status, puts himself slightly above me enough to get everyone round up against me and kicked me out of my own community.
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I've been there before, except it wasn't moneybags who pulled it off. You have my sympathies. Especially for having to deal with an idiot like "wyld1usa" whose only purpose in life seems to be HURRDURR I ARE RANAGADA MODARATR
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Derped post.

Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38

I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.

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I didn't have to, but everyone knew something about it, whether they knew there was a rumor out there or whatever it is. I've got nothing to hide shaitan, I just needed to put a stop to all this bullshit slinging back and forth. You know how many people came up to me and said I sold RC for $5k? Like where do people even get their information from..

@ACK - Thanks for sympathizing with me. Advice on where to go from where would be even better honestly.
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Ani wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 13:05

I didn't paint the picture though, it was painted for me. I never needed the "right to come back" as I never left, I just left certain duties to people - considering I had no time of day for it. I never stepped down - look through the forum logs like LSN looked through their ticket logs - Trojan painted the picture by moving stuff around, ultimately without my permission and Trojan made himself relevant and look above me. Legally, and intentionally - I never ever put that guy above me in terms of asset control, and power. He did that himself, that's where the "stealing" comes into play.

It didn't start with me PMing people saying I was going to take the community back over, it started with me PMing people saying I was going to remove Trojan. That's the key difference. He's only been paying the bills for 3 months now. You're telling me for the past year, I haven't been managing the differences? Sure we made enough to carry over for 2 months at times - but do the math yourself and you'll find out the donations in the end didn't cover the cost. I still put my own money into it. I even put the money I got off Trojan into the community.

The community never has failed though, not until Trojan forced me to ultimately put it down. The same way he was "forced" to remove me because of how he felt threatened - which as the owner and founder of RC he had every right to think that way.


@ACK - Moneybags Volcom comes out of no where, flaunts money, buys head admin, buys co-ownership status, puts himself slightly above me enough to get everyone round up against me and kicked me out of my own community.




We are saying the same thing here Ani.


The forums post below didn't leave us clear information on what ever you want to call the change. It says you are no longer running the day-to-day. My apologies on mis-stating taking the community back vs. removing trojan. To me it is the same thing.

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Animoski, on 11 May 2013 - 16:46, said:
As many of you have already noticed; i've taken a huge step back from operating and maintaing RenCorner.

This is in part because i'm going hard in taking my education further and dealing with other various personal issues, as well as just losing interest in general.

I'll still be around just as much as I have been in the past few weeks, more or less. I just can't go on dealing with all the small day to day things.

Volcom (who else? Smile ) will be taking my role (and unfortunately responsibilities).

I'll still be the Founder and help out where and when I can as I can never truly leave this place as i've met so many awesome people that this has become my second home and you all are my family.


Take care and cya guys around Smile




Perception by the community and your admins was you left and Volcom is in charge. *You hadn't been involved or around for at least 2 months before this post) And yes, he made some changes etc. he was running the day to day. (You told him to and us that)

Ani, you made a post to announce you were stepping down, why didn't you simply make a post that you changed your mind and were coming back? You entered back in the wrong manner my friend. You have to know regardless of the intent of your pm's they came back to the community as a threat. Even if Volcom twisted that and used it to his advantage, what are we supposed to do? Kick him out? How were we to prove any of this when it was going down?

Your separation was not clean at all and left a lot of holes that you see now causing a divider among who were all friends.

So where do we go from here? You want shai or I to change the passwords on the dedi and lock him out so you can assume total control? (not trying to be sarcastic, being serious) What is next? It is not gaining support from the different renegade players (like an ACK lol) in a public trial of sides. You need to gain the trust back of Shai and I 1st before anything can happen.




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Wyld1USA wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 13:39

Ani wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 13:05

I didn't paint the picture though, it was painted for me. I never needed the "right to come back" as I never left, I just left certain duties to people - considering I had no time of day for it. I never stepped down - look through the forum logs like LSN looked through their ticket logs - Trojan painted the picture by moving stuff around, ultimately without my permission and Trojan made himself relevant and look above me. Legally, and intentionally - I never ever put that guy above me in terms of asset control, and power. He did that himself, that's where the "stealing" comes into play.

It didn't start with me PMing people saying I was going to take the community back over, it started with me PMing people saying I was going to remove Trojan. That's the key difference. He's only been paying the bills for 3 months now. You're telling me for the past year, I haven't been managing the differences? Sure we made enough to carry over for 2 months at times - but do the math yourself and you'll find out the donations in the end didn't cover the cost. I still put my own money into it. I even put the money I got off Trojan into the community.

The community never has failed though, not until Trojan forced me to ultimately put it down. The same way he was "forced" to remove me because of how he felt threatened - which as the owner and founder of RC he had every right to think that way.


@ACK - Moneybags Volcom comes out of no where, flaunts money, buys head admin, buys co-ownership status, puts himself slightly above me enough to get everyone round up against me and kicked me out of my own community.




We are saying the same thing here Ani.


The forums post below didn't leave us clear information on what ever you want to call the change. It says you are no longer running the day-to-day. My apologies on mis-stating taking the community back vs. removing trojan. To me it is the same thing.

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Animoski, on 11 May 2013 - 16:46, said:
As many of you have already noticed; i've taken a huge step back from operating and maintaing RenCorner.

This is in part because i'm going hard in taking my education further and dealing with other various personal issues, as well as just losing interest in general.

I'll still be around just as much as I have been in the past few weeks, more or less. I just can't go on dealing with all the small day to day things.

Volcom (who else? Smile ) will be taking my role (and unfortunately responsibilities).

I'll still be the Founder and help out where and when I can as I can never truly leave this place as i've met so many awesome people that this has become my second home and you all are my family.


Take care and cya guys around Smile




Perception by the community and your admins was you left and Volcom is in charge. *You hadn't been involved or around for at least 2 months before this post) And yes, he made some changes etc. he was running the day to day. (You told him to and us that)

Ani, you made a post to announce you were stepping down, why didn't you simply make a post that you changed your mind and were coming back? You entered back in the wrong manner my friend. You have to know regardless of the intent of your pm's they came back to the community as a threat. Even if Volcom twisted that and used it to his advantage, what are we supposed to do? Kick him out? How were we to prove any of this when it was going down?

Your separation was not clean at all and left a lot of holes that you see now causing a divider among who were all friends.

So where do we go from here? You want shai or I to change the passwords on the dedi and lock him out so you can assume total control? (not trying to be sarcastic, being serious) What is next? It is not gaining support from the different renegade players (like an ACK lol) in a public trial of sides. You need to gain the trust back of Shai and I 1st before anything can happen.





I've known you guys for the longest time, it's pitiful that I have to re-gain your guy's trust. I would love for you guys to change the password on the dedis but even then I don't want that, I could put an order in for dedis tonight and if you guys were willing to go to the way things were months back i'd be fine with that, upload the backups and continue from where we were before. Of course, i'd have to apologize to everyone and bite the dust in terms of what has happened and i'm willing to eat dog shit to be where we were. The amount of fun we all had is worth going through that shit. I would do anything to patch things up with everyone and look past all the stupid shit people have been doing over the past few hours, being minions of Trojan and trying to ruin shit in what I do have running lol.

I tried to gain Trojan's trust back, for about 2-3 weeks with not even a single fucking response from the guy. The whole "he can earn my trust back" was to further kill time and make me look like the bad guy. I did give it a chance, you should know, shaitan does.

I should've done things different, but then again everyone could've and it was a dark time for me, issues in real life made me put time away from RC and I couldn't keep tabs on everything. After all this time I thought my trust from you guys were as hard as rocks, which is why after I threatened Trojan through Applez I didn't even realize my access was taken until 4 days after.

I make mistakes, i'm only human and i'm also just 20 years old (a month into being 20) and i'm bound to make mistakes. It's not as if, people have come up to me before asking me to change something about me (like the fact I used to say nigga all the time, it was addressed and I stopped, bloodyman had a bad day and didn't wanna be made fun of so I stopped and tried to comfort him) - im nothing but adaptable and YOU should know that Wyld.

My separation was not clean, and i've lost friends, you and shaitan control assets however, and Trojan is more of a puppet used for money by you guys than i've used him. You want a stable community and I get that, did we not have a stable community which was peaking all the way until Trojan came out of no where?
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Today is a new day. I think just talking is a start. I'll be around tonight.

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Derped post.

Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 Jan 2004 07:38

I get along with people fine, so long as they aren't rejects who promised things that they couldn't
deliver on, or forum trolls who contribute nothing except to bloat the fragile egos of the same
rejects I despise.

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ACK actually sounds like DJ asking about fjords with the mod subject on me with every post. Odd I have no lag problems. Oh wait I'm in the USA.

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If you wanna talk (Wyld and shai) i'll be on tonight at 9:30pm and we can arrange where we'll be talking then?

I'm letting you know right now, there isn't a shot in hell i'm giving Trojan the pleasure of even talking with him, the same kind of respect he gave me for 2 weeks when I was trying to "gain back his trust."

I took a risk making shaitan a head admin, I took a risk making Wyld a head admin, and I literally didn't really get anything out of it until a month or two after and I was fine with it. The fact that you guys wouldn't risk believing me over Trojan hurt me a lot - but like I said i'm willing to look past this last few months and pretend it never happened while biting the dust on every shitty moment i've earned from it.

The only thing Trojan risked was putting words inside both of your mouths the first night we all had a serious discussion. Trojan won't even risk his ass and come on these forums to defend himself or you guys - how many times have I done that for shaitan alone?

You have my numbers, shoot me a text if anything, i'll be at class.

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Ani wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 14:14

If you wanna talk (Wyld and shai) i'll be on tonight at 9:30pm and we can arrange where we'll be talking then?

I'm letting you know right now, there isn't a shot in hell i'm giving Trojan the pleasure of even talking with him, the same kind of respect he gave me for 2 weeks when I was trying to "gain back his trust."

I took a risk making shaitan a head admin, I took a risk making Wyld a head admin, and I literally didn't really get anything out of it until a month or two after and I was fine with it. The fact that you guys wouldn't risk believing me over Trojan hurt me a lot - but like I said i'm willing to look past this last few months and pretend it never happened while biting the dust on every shitty moment i've earned from it.

You have my numbers, shoot me a text if anything.


It was never a case of not believing you or Trojan for that matter. Like I said your actions were speaking louder than you words for the last few months and Trojans actions were keeping the community going. So I had no information to go on from you other than your bye bye post which was just 3 weeks ago that fit what we were told. Ani perception was you left.

The trust thing is more your dedication to RC like you had it when we started it a year ago vs. now. You just got bored of it. I don't want your interest in RC to be as a result of the threat of being shut out vs. truly wanting to be a part of it again and keeping players.

And oh I know you two won't being co-owning anything again. That's the crux we are in m8. Wink



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Wyld1USA wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 14:04

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Wyld1USA wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 14:24

Ani wrote on Mon, 03 June 2013 14:14

If you wanna talk (Wyld and shai) i'll be on tonight at 9:30pm and we can arrange where we'll be talking then?

I'm letting you know right now, there isn't a shot in hell i'm giving Trojan the pleasure of even talking with him, the same kind of respect he gave me for 2 weeks when I was trying to "gain back his trust."

I took a risk making shaitan a head admin, I took a risk making Wyld a head admin, and I literally didn't really get anything out of it until a month or two after and I was fine with it. The fact that you guys wouldn't risk believing me over Trojan hurt me a lot - but like I said i'm willing to look past this last few months and pretend it never happened while biting the dust on every shitty moment i've earned from it.

You have my numbers, shoot me a text if anything.


It was never a case of not believing you or Trojan for that matter. Like I said your actions were speaking louder than you words for the last few months and Trojans actions were keeping the community going. So I had no information to go on from you other than your bye bye post which was just 3 weeks ago that fit what we were told. Ani perception was you left.

The trust thing is more your dedication to RC like you had it when we started it a year ago vs. now. You just got bored of it. I don't want your interest in RC to be as a result of the threat of being shut out vs. truly wanting to be a part of it again and keeping players.

And oh I know you two won't being co-owning anything again. That's the crux we are in m8. Wink




My bye bye post was 2 weeks after Trojan sent me the money, it was 2 weeks for a reason - I didn't want to do it. I worded it carefully to make sure people got the idea that I wasn't going anywhere (i'd be doing the same thing I was doing, taking care of real life issues and letting other people make sure things go smooth) - I would never leave, you can look in the PMs that I didn't want to leave either, and half the shit I said to Trojan was just so he'd send me the money, I wanted it the same day he brought it up LOL. I just didn't have the time to worry about stuff, I have a load of other priorities and gaming just can't be at the top, luckily for me the biggest priority in life right now is being taken care of and in 2 weeks time it'll be completely off my shoulders.

My dedication to RC should have been proven to you already - if I put that money in my pocket knowing I was done with RC, I wouldn't be here fighting for you guys. My dedication is hampered only by my real life ongoings, not because I intentionally don't want to be here. I literally took all night to write that post.

I'm already shut out, it's a 3 man show and I know it isn't worth fighting for you guys, the only thing i'll get out of it in the end is more responsibilities - but thats only how you guys see it. RenCorner is forever my baby, and Renegades the first game I ever took online. It means a lot more to me than anyone else in RenCorner, and hopefully i'll prove it to you tonight.

I've had 2 communities so far, RC when I was 12, RC now. 8 years apart, same name, and similar size - but back then I managed to make it successful far faster considering the amount of people. I took risks and I didn't take the easy way out and just bought my way into something, or stole lol, the fact that Trojan would only risk other people should show you i'm the lesser of the two evils and that in terms of dedication, I could've taken the money and forwarded the domain name to a blank page saying lol g?g but no i'm here fighting for what I believe is right.
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For 3-4,

I setup Trojan's SynC Website that came with several errors that I made the fix for. Which then proved to him I could be a Dev. After looking at the heaps amount of code on the forums, I honestly couldn't find anything to improve or add nor did anyone have a problem with the site (until now - all of a sudden?!?!). Aside from that, I had AdminCP, Cpanel, and FTP. Not access to all servers and all that. About a month or so ago I got Killing Floor box access, for obvious reasons; I was a KF Admin.

You're also missing the fact that you went to RC's Admin Team and told some of them "Want Co-Owner if you leave Trojan?" (along the lines of that) and "Want to be Head Admin without Trojan?" and you didn't think they would go to Trojan and tell him? But is it not you that also keeps throwing around the "he back stabbed me in the back". Even after the so called rumor 'I want to remove Trojan' you went to the admin team and said those things. You had a meeting with Trojan about earning the trust you lost because of what you did. You told him you'd do whatever it takes, anything, to earn it back. Did you show any interest in it the 2 weeks after the meeting? You said in the AFK Channel of TS the entire time.

You asked for this lol and now you're wondering why, and I quote "98% followed Trojan"?

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My mom was diagnosed with stage 3 colon cancer and about 14.5cm (or mm, im not sure of the measurement - but it was quite large) was cut out from her, and she had to go through chemo - and my dad isn't rich, he's a superintendent, making about $40k a year. Living in NY, you could probably imagine it was a tough time.



Why don't you do something with your life and get a good education and a good paying job instead of doing what your doing? Sitting around getting drunk/stoned every night.. This guilt shit about your poor life is embarrassing to yourself.

Along with that, you're bringing in RnD's sister into this? But you also go on about how irrelevant Trojan is right now? Fuck man, you are brutal.

To think you could ever build RC again with your hypocritical bullshit is beyond me, you're no better than your accusations about Trojan.

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i was under the impression that trojan bought rc off ani?

or am I wrong or something
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I dont wanna be part of this Drama in any Way, all i want to say is that i for myself never had any issues in the past with either Ani or Cronus. I dont have any contact to trojan therefore i cant say anything good or bad about it. I just hope u can solve ur problems in any way cuz i would hate to see another renegade community go down. Good Luck. Huh

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