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Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478160] Mon, 24 December 2012 12:37 Go to next message
iRANian is currently offline  iRANian
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Whenever I play on Ultra AOW New maps and I see a resource downloader screen I will get lag up to 10 minutes after actually playing on the server. :/

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478161 is a reply to message #478160] Mon, 24 December 2012 13:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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That's what it's supposed to do, download the next map in the rotation so you're not sat on a loading screen for ages waiting for it to download...

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478162 is a reply to message #478160] Mon, 24 December 2012 14:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No it's supposed to load everything on the loading screen lol. No point in playing with 500 ping and not knowing whether you're lagging or something is downloading in the background doesn't help either.

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478165 is a reply to message #478160] Mon, 24 December 2012 17:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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As I recall it was designed to download the next map in the rotation whilst your playing on the server if you don't already have it, that's normal behaviour. Once you've been through the entire map rotation once you won't need to do any more downloading so you won't see any problems from that point onwards.

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478171 is a reply to message #478160] Tue, 25 December 2012 02:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Uhm, it has always shown a resource downloader screen where you'd have to wait a bit for larger packages to download, then after you start playing you don't get any lag as soon as you get in the game. I've only had this happen with the UltraAOW Newmaps server.

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478176 is a reply to message #478160] Tue, 25 December 2012 06:56 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Damn it autodownloads the next map? Neat!

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478181 is a reply to message #478160] Tue, 25 December 2012 12:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Indeed it does. As for lag caused by this, Stealtheye has previously said this about it;

StealthEye wrote on Wed, 26 September 2012 21:05

As for lag caused by downloading: it will not really decrease the server to client data stream, but it can make it less reliable (packets not arriving, causing latency) if your connection is exhausted. The download should theoretically automatically throttle back in that case, although I have never carefully studied this.


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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478183 is a reply to message #478160] Tue, 25 December 2012 13:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It wasn't auto-downloading the next map when we were playing the Ultra AOW commwar, iirc Zunnie had to do the whole rotation first so everyone got the map. It does download all the required packages the first time after joining a server I think.

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478184 is a reply to message #478160] Tue, 25 December 2012 13:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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See edited post above, I hunted down a quote from stealtheye about the background downloader.

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478189 is a reply to message #478160] Tue, 25 December 2012 17:33 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Couple things.

The auto downloader downloads maps you already have. That isn't good.

The auto downloader should have an option of either doing the background downloading or the download on load, depending on what the player wants.
Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478192 is a reply to message #478189] Tue, 25 December 2012 18:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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generalcamo wrote on Wed, 26 December 2012 01:33

Couple things.

The auto downloader downloads maps you already have. That isn't good.

The auto downloader should have an option of either doing the background downloading or the download on load, depending on what the player wants.

Define "The auto downloader downloads maps you already have."
As the resource manager supports versions, either for updated maps or differences between servers. If you've downloaded the .mix file this can't be checked, and thus it is downloaded. If you have a version that is different on the server, you'll also have to download it.

As for making it an option, it is probably not as easy as it looks.


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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478196 is a reply to message #478160] Tue, 25 December 2012 22:10 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It downloads .mix files that a player already has, version and everything. Why can't the downloader check for this? Right now, it is wasted space in computers.
Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478199 is a reply to message #478160] Wed, 26 December 2012 00:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Only time I saw this happen was when it downloaded Canyon again, least for me anyway

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478210 is a reply to message #478196] Wed, 26 December 2012 12:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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generalcamo wrote on Wed, 26 December 2012 06:10

It downloads .mix files that a player already has, version and everything. Why can't the downloader check for this? Right now, it is wasted space in computers.

I just explained that.


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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478383 is a reply to message #478160] Sat, 05 January 2013 08:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The map downloader downloads up to two games in advance in the background. It only loads the current game when in the resource manager screen. I would not really expect much lag being introduced by this. Are you sure you do not just have a bad connection to that server? Otherwise, maybe some router is prioritizing the download stream rather than the game data...

Theoretically, yes, it could scan the .mix archives for files that are the same. This would be quite complex though (you can still do something like that manually using the PackageEditor command line tool). You don't really need the .mix archives any more though, and the ttfs should be a small fraction (10-20%) of the size all .mix archives normally have, so space should not be such a concern.

I agree that it would be good to show something about the download status somewhere. I'll see what I can do about that. I'll also see if I can add a clientside option to postpone downloading until the map starts, but I'm not sure if that will work without significant changes.


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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478387 is a reply to message #478160] Sat, 05 January 2013 09:13 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Got a solid 150 ping to that server with a normal KBPS.

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478415 is a reply to message #478160] Sat, 05 January 2013 20:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I added "downloading 1.23/45.67 MB" text next to the FPS display to indicate that it is loading in the background. I've also established that disabling background loading via an option should be easy to implement, I'll just have to add some GUI option for it or something like that tomorrow.

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Re: Map downloader downloading in the background while I'm playing [message #478427 is a reply to message #478160] Sun, 06 January 2013 02:00 Go to previous message
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I could do a bit of testing for it on UltraAOW if you give me a RC1 compatible version.

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