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As the title says, having problems with the Same sites.

They aim over the heli and are messed up.

Is there a Script I can use, or make to make them hit you but not be to op?


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Re: Sam Sites [message #468692 is a reply to message #468687] Fri, 08 June 2012 17:24 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hmm.

You could use aircraftkiller's SAM site. I can tell you how it works. Could you get on n00bstories IRC?
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Generalcamo wrote on Fri, 08 June 2012 19:24

Hmm.

You could use aircraftkiller's SAM site. I can tell you how it works. Could you get on n00bstories IRC?

I'm on there ;p


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Re: Sam Sites [message #468782 is a reply to message #468687] Sat, 09 June 2012 05:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I use "JFW_Base_Defence_VTOL_Only".

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Re: Sam Sites [message #468784 is a reply to message #468687] Sat, 09 June 2012 06:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I showed him how to use it. It's working now. I also got it to work on his enviroment.


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Re: Sam Sites [message #468881 is a reply to message #468687] Sat, 09 June 2012 17:03 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I'll bet you $100 this is related to the SightArc problem that is commented on in the beta 5 release thread. It's in the first post, I think it's actually one of the first things mentioned.

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Re: Sam Sites [message #468884 is a reply to message #468687] Sat, 09 June 2012 17:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Didn't I post this earlier? I already fixed it with him.
Re: Sam Sites [message #468972 is a reply to message #468687] Sun, 10 June 2012 14:29 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ok now why dont you make the solution public ive been stuck with the exact same problem

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Re: Sam Sites [message #468988 is a reply to message #468687] Sun, 10 June 2012 16:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Attaching MDB_Base_Defence_VTOL_Only to the SAM site will work. In addition, make sure to modify the ammo of the SAM site you are modifying. You will need to check "IS Tracking" in order to make it actually useful.

And while you are doing that, change the firing sound to Sam_Fire_1 found in Buildings-->Sam Site

Also add the Idle Sound found in the same area to the SAM site preset.

I probably should make a video...

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Re: Sam Sites [message #468992 is a reply to message #468687] Sun, 10 June 2012 16:54 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thnx Smile will try this

doubt this will help me specific though Sad


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Re: Sam Sites [message #468993 is a reply to message #468687] Sun, 10 June 2012 17:12 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

Release notes for modders

Due to a bug in the code, if you have edited presets (objects.ddb or temp presets) using a scripts build posted since the 13th of January 2012, the Sight Arc field is possibly incorrectly set on any Soldier, Vehicle or Sam Site presets in that presets file. To fix this, you will need to go through every vehicle, soldier or Sam Site preset in the preset file(s) you have edited (this affects all presets in those files, not just the ones you edited) and check that the SightArc (which is in degrees) is a whole number, is >= 0 and is <= 360. Most of the time the number will be something like 359.xxx instead of 360 so determining what to set it to should be easy. The best way to identify anything with a bogus SightArc is to copy the .ddb file into the same folder as ddbedit (the new version from 4.0 beta 5) then drag it over ddbedit.exe. Then press the "dump" button which will create a text dump of the ddb file. Open this and search for SightArc which will display the value as it would be seen in LE. You can then use this to make sure the numbers are correct and fix them if needed.


Just sayin'. That's quoted from the TT beta 5 release post and sounds an awful lot like the problem I believe robbyke was posting about a couple of months ago (sam sites shooting way above the target they're aiming at).


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469000 is a reply to message #468993] Sun, 10 June 2012 19:00 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The SightArc field has nothing to do with shooting angles and is related to whether an object can see another object for target selection purposes.


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469003 is a reply to message #468993] Sun, 10 June 2012 19:25 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ethenal wrote on Sun, 10 June 2012 20:12

Just sayin'.


Actually, you were just writing. You didn't say that. If you said it, you'd post a link of yourself saying "just sayin'", but then that would be entirely redundant because we'd hear you speaking while you said "just sayin'". In the same vein, were you to adapt that colloquialism into writing and write "just writin'", it would be as redundant as saying something to someone just to say "just sayin'" at the end - or beginning - of the statement.

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Re: Sam Sites [message #469010 is a reply to message #469000] Sun, 10 June 2012 19:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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jonwil wrote on Sun, 10 June 2012 21:00

The SightArc field has nothing to do with shooting angles and is related to whether an object can see another object for target selection purposes.


Oh really? Well nevermind then. So I wonder what causes this issue then...


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469011 is a reply to message #468687] Sun, 10 June 2012 19:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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whatever is wrong with the samsites its annoying but i give up its not gonna get fixed

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Re: Sam Sites [message #469013 is a reply to message #469003] Sun, 10 June 2012 20:05 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: Sam Sites [message #469042 is a reply to message #469011] Mon, 11 June 2012 06:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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robbyke wrote on Mon, 11 June 2012 03:52

whatever is wrong with the samsites its annoying but i give up its not gonna get fixed


You have yet to tell us what problem you're having. We can't help you if you don't describe the problem properly and outline what steps you have already taken to try and fix it.


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469047 is a reply to message #468687] Mon, 11 June 2012 08:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lets try it then

the samsite model doesnt work properly

all the samsite presets aim above the veh theyre shooting at (vtol AND ground)


if i use another object and change the model to SS it gives the same problem (making me conclude its the model?)


ive tried to change object tilt min and tiltmax

ive tried sight arc

ive tried using other objects and set the model to SS

ive tried different weapons


It worked on 3.4.4 and RR distr can confirm that


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469052 is a reply to message #468687] Mon, 11 June 2012 10:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Could you log on to the n00bstories IRC? I might be able to help you.
Re: Sam Sites [message #469064 is a reply to message #468687] Mon, 11 June 2012 13:09 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sounds to me like the model was exported with the rotation of the barrel bone not parallel with the ground, which is bad. You might be able to use the Z offset parameter in LE to work around the issue a bit... or just make the ammo tracking and it doesn't matter that it cant aim properly Razz

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did TT change the model then? :s because it used to work Surprised


Generalcamo wrote on Mon, 11 June 2012 19:23

Could you log on to the n00bstories IRC? I might be able to help you.

ill try tomorrow


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469070 is a reply to message #468687] Mon, 11 June 2012 14:39 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No, I'm fairly sure we didn't change the model, although its possible we have reimplemented something in a slightly different way such that it can't compensate for a misaligned model export... Might need to check the w3d file in the viewer to confirm if it is exported incorrectly and, if so, ask jonwil to investigate why it was able to work pre 4.0

Either way, using tracking weapons should fix the problem... Could be that's the way stock renegade fixed it too.


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469127 is a reply to message #468687] Tue, 12 June 2012 07:50 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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it could be that stock ren used tracking missilles because the missilles scatter on the SS

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Re: Sam Sites [message #469128 is a reply to message #468687] Tue, 12 June 2012 08:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just noticed that i have the same problem with the sam sites.

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all the samsite presets aim above the veh theyre shooting at (vtol AND ground)


Here are my script settings:

(flarak,"JFW_Base_Defence_VTOL_Only","1,300,10");



Used this code line for years and it always did work.

Edit: Attached a screenshot.


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Re: Sam Sites [message #469137 is a reply to message #468687] Tue, 12 June 2012 11:02 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Stock Renegade does NOT use tracking missiles. That is why, in the post I posted above, I said to modify the ammo so that it tracks, that way it is useful against aircraft. Other wise, the aircraft would need to be in one place in order to be useful.
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