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"He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466249] Mon, 16 April 2012 16:08 Go to next message
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I've been thinking about this recently. Did it ever once appear in your head that some players who are or were really experienced with the game have not decided to play Clan Wars because they don't have the time for it? Maybe they don't want to spend their time playing a video game competitively if they aren't gaining anything from playing? Some people might not be the competitive type of person.

What do you think?
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no

if u dont/didnt play clanwars you cant be considered good because public doesnt teach u SHIT

believe it
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The clan war players started in public too. They used to be noobs. Overtime, the players who started in '02 built up on their knowledge of the game, they became pros. The same thing can be applied to sports players. Michael Jordan started from being a joe to being a pro. He built up on his skill by practicing and learning the basics.
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cant properly learn this game in a game with lots of people fucking around, uneven numbers of players, no tactics involved 95% of the time, barely any communication on the teams, and no overall teamplay other than the occasional stank rush (if that can be called teamplay)
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{Os} > cw.cc

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Re: "He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466257 is a reply to message #466254] Tue, 17 April 2012 00:08 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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rgh > cw.cc*
Re: "He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466258 is a reply to message #466257] Tue, 17 April 2012 00:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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ehhh wrote on Tue, 17 April 2012 00:08

rgh > cw.cc*


yes Sad



Public matches aren't REMOTELY as organized or REMOTELY as intense as clanwars. Everybody is on teamspeak, everybody knows exactly what to do, nobody wants to lose.

In pub nobody (or almost nobody is on ts), only a handful know what to do, most people play for fun and dont care about losing.

You can't expect the same challenge from that.


It's all part of the big illusion that we perpetuate on ourselves and in turn is perpetuated upon us. When we believe, we engage the illusion. When we stop believing we shatter the illusion and shatter ourselves in the process. Because we are, part of it.

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i prefer to play the game like it was intended instead of 2vs2 with a bunch of server-side mods turned on

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Re: "He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466261 is a reply to message #466249] Tue, 17 April 2012 07:40 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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server side mods?

there are no actual mods to the gameplay, everything is original renegade other than the !ready command and some other similar things that only make it more fair
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lol, when i cw'd, it was all orignal, just saying.
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CW servers are the closest to real ren as you can get.
Yes the game was made for 16 vs 16, but cw players skills make top pub players look like they never played before.
Seriously I've played both, there is a huge difference in skill levels.
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Hitman wrote on Tue, 17 April 2012 01:09

cant properly learn this game in a game with lots of people fucking around, uneven numbers of players, no tactics involved 95% of the time, barely any communication on the teams, and no overall teamplay other than the occasional stank rush (if that can be called teamplay)


Fair point.

I used to do clan wars in CS and he's got a point.

Everything counts. there was formations, choice of weapons, different routes to the maps, who is carrying the bomb and what style of play does the bomnb carrier play?

I never got good at CS:S playing public matches, I just got better at public matches. Once the numbers died down I used to be shit cos skilled players would be better with small numbers, but I started playing clan wars with this guy and I got better with small numbers. You noticed things you never used to, foot steps, how to tell how much damage you did to a player that got away, better aiming techniques, better map routes, memorizing camp spots, using flash/smoke/grenades more effeciently etc.

After I got good (id say mid-ranged player) I got much better at public matches cos once the numbers went down, I'd play as if I was playing a 5 v 5 match, were as the rest of the team would be running around like headless chickens revealing themselvs on radar and basically letting me pick them off 1 at a time.

Same for Renegade, I used to be a decent public player but in small clan wars or 1v1's I was god awful. 15 v 15 or 5 v 5, different numbers, different strats. You can't argue this, most games prove this formula, unless your playing call of dooty: modern borfare, auto aim does the job for you.


Presence is a curious thing, if you think you need to prove it... you probably never had it in the first place.
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pretty sure clanwars got owned by a bunch of {Os} kids
in his defense they were in a clan, so it excuses the fact that they beat a heavily-stacked clanwars.cc team

if i were him i'd be pretty embarrassed; that would be like st0rm beating Jelly or something Huh


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Re: "He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466273 is a reply to message #466249] Tue, 17 April 2012 12:45 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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to be fair though, {Os} didn't win that series due to cheats
they won because cw.cc failed to listen to Spoony


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Quote:

Same for Renegade, I used to be a decent public player but in small clan wars or 1v1's I was god awful. 15 v 15 or 5 v 5, different numbers, different strats. You can't argue this, most games prove this formula, unless your playing call of dooty: modern borfare, auto aim does the job for you.


auto aim does the job for a lot of Renegade players too. lol Tell Me

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liquidv2 wrote on Tue, 17 April 2012 15:45

to be fair though, {Os} didn't win that series due to cheats
they won because cw.cc failed to listen to Spoony


Who listens to Spoony anyway?
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os just had better teamwork, os are not like storm lol...
Re: "He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466278 is a reply to message #466249] Tue, 17 April 2012 13:19 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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{Os} had far less teamwork than cw.cc should have had, with cw.cc being the team with far better players and far more organized Renegade experience overall
that's the difference here, and that's why i compared st0rm to {Os} and cw.cc to Jelly in terms of teams


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hey liquid derfcow got caught with cheats really unexpectedly, that {os}ruben guy too

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Re: "He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466280 is a reply to message #466249] Tue, 17 April 2012 13:35 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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no one would have ever thought a player from {Os} would cheat
i'm very surprised! Sarcasm

as for derfcow - did anyone ever say he was remotely intelligent?

that's my boy derfie


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Re: "He's not in Clan Wars, therefore he's not better than me: a clan war player." [message #466281 is a reply to message #466249] Tue, 17 April 2012 13:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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tell him he was right all along and that i should have never referred to him as derfcow or suggested that he was an idiot

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80% of the games I played in public games about 6-7 years ago used to be really intense. Those were the games which got me into ren. Mostly everyone used to know how to play the game. Those were the days of ren.
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liquidv2 wrote on Tue, 17 April 2012 13:36

tell him he was right all along and that i should have never referred to him as derfcow or suggested that he was an idiot

remember this:

http://jelly-server.com/forums/index.php?/topic/16859-so-it-happened-again/page_ _p__235978__fromsearch__1#entry235978


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can't read that
i'm guessing that's when he got banned from st0rm for cheating over there again
he was never even a remotely good sniper at Jelly, but then on st0rm all of the mods were watching him and every player knew he was full of shit
and in his retarded mind that made him feel great about himself


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st0rm and n00bstories at around the same time

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