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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371100 is a reply to message #371094] |
Sun, 08 February 2009 08:54   |
Genesis2001
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| zunnie wrote on Sun, 08 February 2009 08:45 |
Very nice work but i agree with the last poster.
Private Messages should be -well- private...
No one else, not even the host should be able to read them.
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What if a moderator is being "abused" in private chat by an unhappy player? It's a lot easier, imo, to deal with this if the PM's are logged...
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371217 is a reply to message #371075] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 04:16 |
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futura83
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Viva la Resistance! |
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Cos you use the PM system in ren to send each other messages that you absolutely don't want others to see?
This is a signature. Reading this is wasting your time.
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371233 is a reply to message #371222] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 08:41 |
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futura83
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Viva la Resistance! |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 12:46 |
| insert_name_here wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 11:16 |
Cos you use the PM system in ren to send each other messages that you absolutely don't want others to see?
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Yeah actually I do.
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So it's such important and private information that you absolutely have to send it as a message ingame as opposed to going on msn or something?
This is a signature. Reading this is wasting your time.
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371244 is a reply to message #371235] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 10:18 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 16:18 |
Much easier to
F2 /name Yeah tell your brother to text me on <insert number here> than to alt tab, load msn, find the person and send a message.
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but you shouldn't be having a social conversation on a game, I would call that team hampering tbh. Not only that, admins and moderators are trustworthy enough to keep stuff private.
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371271 is a reply to message #371263] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 12:49 |
Genesis2001
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| Prulez wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 12:27 |
I would have to say though that my IP/Serial hash is less important to me then what I might be telling others in PM's....
Doesn't feel right to me. I know that some other servers also read PM's. I could name one right now but it might be better for the sake of this convo not to.
Now, back on topic. the plugin definitly looks useful to me.
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I've made a console command to toggle the logging of PM's on a specified player. I might consider releasing this plugin, but I'll have to talk to who I'm making this for before I do... I still have a few crash bugs to work out. 
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371272 is a reply to message #371270] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 12:50 |
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futura83
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Viva la Resistance! |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:47 |
Having the server log your serial hash and your IP address is not of any importance. What can you do with my hash and ip thats gonna worry me? I'd quite happily tell anyone my IP address and hash. However having it log potential sensitive info without me knowing is something entirely different. If I know the server is gonna read my PMs i'll make sure not to say something that I dont want anyone knowing. Its pretty logical, no? Have some common courtesy.
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You're using their server for free with them having to pay a bunch for it.
You don't have the rights you might think you have.
This is a signature. Reading this is wasting your time.
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371275 is a reply to message #371075] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 13:02 |
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From a Server Owner perspective, I don't see the need to look at people's PM's except for general curiosity.
I don't think there's someone out there that's honestly going to tell people "lmao *cheat* is so fucking win". Then still, you could never know the level of retardness nowadays in ren.
I wouldn't want to play on a server that logs my PM's, and I am sure that other people would agree with me on this.
| nikki6ixx wrote on Fri, 08 May 2009 19:47 |
Every so often, I get this positive feeling that humanity can somehow, possibly attain pure awesomeness, and enlightenment, and that there is light at the end of the road for us all. However, I only need to go to the latest HUD thread at RenForums to remind me of how dumb I was for thinking such stupid things.
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371284 is a reply to message #371274] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 13:40 |
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| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 20:01 |
| insert_name_here wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:50 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:47 |
Having the server log your serial hash and your IP address is not of any importance. What can you do with my hash and ip thats gonna worry me? I'd quite happily tell anyone my IP address and hash. However having it log potential sensitive info without me knowing is something entirely different. If I know the server is gonna read my PMs i'll make sure not to say something that I dont want anyone knowing. Its pretty logical, no? Have some common courtesy.
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You're using their server for free with them having to pay a bunch for it.
You don't have the rights you might think you have.
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So with that logic you would agree that its ok for Microsoft to read our MSN conversations, the server owner on IRC to read your
PMs, for parents to listen in on theres childs phone call.. etc... Just before you dont pay for it.
If any of the above said that it would be logged/read you can bet your ass that I wouldn't use that service. I for one like my privacy.
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Sure, if microsoft wanted to listen in on my MSN conversations they can knock themselves out. I have nothing to hide. Same for IRC conversations. It only takes more resources on their side, and if they were doing it then I know it's only with good intentions. This is the same for renegade, if someone is getting harassed in PM then not only can we prove it but we can ban on the spot without the player having to report it.
About the phone, if was even possible. If I wanted to talk to someone and keep it private from my parents, I would use either: another service, or another form of communication. As I said before, I generally have nothing to hide so I probably wouldn't care.
Again, I repeat. You have no control what-so-ever over someone else's server. If you don't like it, go play somewhere else.
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| Re: [SSGM Plugin] RenGooey [message #371286 is a reply to message #371284] |
Mon, 09 February 2009 13:57 |
Caveman
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| RoShamBo wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 20:40 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 20:01 |
| insert_name_here wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:50 |
| Caveman wrote on Mon, 09 February 2009 19:47 |
Having the server log your serial hash and your IP address is not of any importance. What can you do with my hash and ip thats gonna worry me? I'd quite happily tell anyone my IP address and hash. However having it log potential sensitive info without me knowing is something entirely different. If I know the server is gonna read my PMs i'll make sure not to say something that I dont want anyone knowing. Its pretty logical, no? Have some common courtesy.
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You're using their server for free with them having to pay a bunch for it.
You don't have the rights you might think you have.
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So with that logic you would agree that its ok for Microsoft to read our MSN conversations, the server owner on IRC to read your
PMs, for parents to listen in on theres childs phone call.. etc... Just before you dont pay for it.
If any of the above said that it would be logged/read you can bet your ass that I wouldn't use that service. I for one like my privacy.
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Sure, if microsoft wanted to listen in on my MSN conversations they can knock themselves out. I have nothing to hide. Same for IRC conversations. It only takes more resources on their side, and if they were doing it then I know it's only with good intentions. This is the same for renegade, if someone is getting harassed in PM then not only can we prove it but we can ban on the spot without the player having to report it.
About the phone, if was even possible. If I wanted to talk to someone and keep it private from my parents, I would use either: another service, or another form of communication. As I said before, I generally have nothing to hide so I probably wouldn't care.
Again, I repeat. You have no control what-so-ever over someone else's server. If you don't like it, go play somewhere else.
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Having something to hide doesn't have anything to do with it. Its a PRIVATE message, what gives you/microsoft/anyone the right to read my conversations? If such services are going to be used I want to know that its going to happen. So then I can play at another server, thats the point how am I meant to know what server logs and what doesnt when you're secretly reading my PMs?
| CarrierII wrote |
BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ
Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.
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