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Dave Anderson
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This is a documentry by Ben Stein about freedom in science being taken away. That's all I'm going to say about it, but everyone should at least consider watching it as it is quite good.
David Anderson
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| Re: Expelled [message #356709 is a reply to message #356707] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 09:53  |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 01 November 2008 12:42 |
I want to see it, though I don't believe Creationism should be taught in schools. It's a ridiculous theory that Christians shouldn't believe in.
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That is an amazing avatar.
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| Re: Expelled [message #356722 is a reply to message #356707] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 10:47 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 01 November 2008 10:42 |
I want to see it, though I don't believe Creationism should be taught in schools. It's a ridiculous theory that Christians shouldn't believe in.
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It's not really about whether Creationism should be taught in school or not, though that is one of the major sub-subjects of the film. While the theory may seem ridiculous, its no more ridiculous than saying we evolved from primates, or that we might have been "seeded here by another advanced civilization" (a Darwinist's "realistic possiblity mind you")
To me, I can't stand people who are closed minded and think they have all the answers. The reality of it is, we know nothing. I believe in God, and I am Christian myself, but I always keep an open mind to opinions from everyone, and you'll never here me say that someone's belief that God does not exist as ridiculous. That would just be closed minded, now wouldn't it?
If people believe in Darwin's Theory, great. If you believe in Creationism, great. But if you think you know the answer, then go jump off a cliff. (None of this is directed at you by the way, just a generalization of the differences in opinions and beliefs that are common among people)
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| Re: Expelled [message #356736 is a reply to message #356478] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 11:45 |
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OK, I'll bite! 
Dave, you've got it all wrong. It isn't closed minded to think that you know the answer, it's only closed minded to continue believing that when new and better evidence points in a different direction. If you have good evidence to support a theory, and after testing it as best you can, it continues to yield supporting results, then it's quite rational to believe in it over other theories, with less evidence to support them. That's how we achieve progress. If everyone was to throw their hands up in the air because they don't have *all* the answers, and refuse to believe anything at all, or worse, believe whatever they like the sound of the best, then we'd still be in the stone age. That's more like empty mindedness than open mindedness.
As for the idea that we evolved from primates being "just as ridiculous" as creationism, can you really not see the difference between the two? We, as in humans, have 98-99% percent the same DNA as chimpanzees. That, along other obvious similarities between humans and primates, plus the actual *observation* of evolution as a natural process, is very good evidence to support evolution. On the other hand, there is no evidence in support of the higher power required in creationism anywhere to be found (religious belief is, after all, known as "faith".)
Come on. Don't be a dolt. 
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| Re: Expelled [message #356742 is a reply to message #356736] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 12:46 |
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Dave, you've got it all wrong.
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Ah, but you see that is exactly what I am talking about with closed-mindness. Because I stated my opinion and you disagree "I'm wrong". That my friend, is ignorant thinking. I'm not saying evolution is wrong, but I'm not saying its right either. I'm not talking about what I believe in, or what you believe in. I'm talking about the stubborness of either side to open their minds that the other may be correct.
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As for the idea that we evolved from primates being "just as ridiculous" as creationism, can you really not see the difference between the two? We, as in humans, have 98-99% percent the same DNA as chimpanzees. That, along other obvious similarities between humans and primates, plus the actual *observation* of evolution as a natural process, is very good evidence to support evolution. On the other hand, there is no evidence in support of the higher power required in creationism anywhere to be found (religious belief is, after all, known as "faith".)
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Put it in this perspective: Evolution is a funny word. And as one scientist in the documentry put it: It depends on how one defines the word 'evolution'. Darwins theory didn't talk about how one species changed over time, but rather how one species was the basis of many, or all species we have today. When it comes down to it, the hardcore Darwinists will say themselves that the theory itself lacked what one would actually expect of a theory. There are many holes, nothing was clearly defined.
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| Re: Expelled [message #356752 is a reply to message #356742] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 14:04 |
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| Dave Anderson wrote on Sat, 01 November 2008 13:46 |
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Dave, you've got it all wrong.
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Ah, but you see that is exactly what I am talking about with closed-mindness. Because I stated my opinion and you disagree "I'm wrong". That my friend, is ignorant thinking. I'm not saying evolution is wrong, but I'm not saying its right either. I'm not talking about what I believe in, or what you believe in. I'm talking about the stubborness of either side to open their minds that the other may be correct.
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As for the idea that we evolved from primates being "just as ridiculous" as creationism, can you really not see the difference between the two? We, as in humans, have 98-99% percent the same DNA as chimpanzees. That, along other obvious similarities between humans and primates, plus the actual *observation* of evolution as a natural process, is very good evidence to support evolution. On the other hand, there is no evidence in support of the higher power required in creationism anywhere to be found (religious belief is, after all, known as "faith".)
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Put it in this perspective: Evolution is a funny word. And as one scientist in the documentry put it: It depends on how one defines the word 'evolution'. Darwins theory didn't talk about how one species changed over time, but rather how one species was the basis of many, or all species we have today. When it comes down to it, the hardcore Darwinists will say themselves that the theory itself lacked what one would actually expect of a theory. There are many holes, nothing was clearly defined.
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so then do you have any reason at all to believe in christianity other than the fact you were brainwashed from birth to believe in it
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| Re: Expelled [message #356774 is a reply to message #356709] |
Sat, 01 November 2008 17:50 |
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| u6795 wrote on Sat, 01 November 2008 11:53 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Sat, 01 November 2008 12:42 |
I want to see it, though I don't believe Creationism should be taught in schools. It's a ridiculous theory that Christians shouldn't believe in.
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That is an amazing avatar.
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The manliest post on the internet
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| Re: Expelled [message #357023 is a reply to message #356752] |
Mon, 03 November 2008 11:19 |
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| Rocko wrote on Sat, 01 November 2008 16:04 |
| Dave Anderson wrote on Sat, 01 November 2008 13:46 |
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Dave, you've got it all wrong.
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Ah, but you see that is exactly what I am talking about with closed-mindness. Because I stated my opinion and you disagree "I'm wrong". That my friend, is ignorant thinking. I'm not saying evolution is wrong, but I'm not saying its right either. I'm not talking about what I believe in, or what you believe in. I'm talking about the stubborness of either side to open their minds that the other may be correct.
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As for the idea that we evolved from primates being "just as ridiculous" as creationism, can you really not see the difference between the two? We, as in humans, have 98-99% percent the same DNA as chimpanzees. That, along other obvious similarities between humans and primates, plus the actual *observation* of evolution as a natural process, is very good evidence to support evolution. On the other hand, there is no evidence in support of the higher power required in creationism anywhere to be found (religious belief is, after all, known as "faith".)
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Put it in this perspective: Evolution is a funny word. And as one scientist in the documentry put it: It depends on how one defines the word 'evolution'. Darwins theory didn't talk about how one species changed over time, but rather how one species was the basis of many, or all species we have today. When it comes down to it, the hardcore Darwinists will say themselves that the theory itself lacked what one would actually expect of a theory. There are many holes, nothing was clearly defined.
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so then do you have any reason at all to believe in christianity other than the fact you were brainwashed from birth to believe in it
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Hah! When I was young I never thought about any of it. Church was just a yawn fest to me. It wasn't until I became older and more intelligent that I started to think about these things and that my great respect for the wonders of the world developed.
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| Re: Expelled [message #357034 is a reply to message #356478] |
Mon, 03 November 2008 13:08 |
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Dave Anderson
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When I was a little guy I was pretty happy to go to Church and I believed in God, but as I got older, from the ages of 16-17, I went completely agnostic. Through that time, I didn't really believe in any God, but I kept an open mind about the issue. Especially the Greeks. I often had wondered what would make these people believe in the Greek Gods. And to some extent I believe they did have valid reason for believing so, whether it may be wrong or not. As my beliefs currently stand, they are a result of many events that have happened over the course of last year or so. To me, I think a lot of it all depends on personal experiences.
David Anderson
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DCOM Productions
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