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| Michigan is in a swirling-eddie of despair [message #287622] |
Mon, 01 October 2007 18:45  |
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Jecht
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As not so many of you may know, the state of Michigan has had economic turmoil over the past 6 years. Industry is being overtaxed and worn down from promised pensions to it's UAW workers, and small business is given little leniency to survive.
As of August 7, 2007, Michigan's unemployment rate is 7.4% as stated by The Michigan Labor Market Organization(http://www.milmi.org/) where as the United States as a whole is experiencing an unemployment rate of 4.6%(http://www.bls.gov/), far less than our state's condition. As of last Thursday, Michigan's legislative branch was under heavy fire to balance the budget deficit of 1.75 billion dollars. It was stated that Michigan's governor(Jennifer Granholm) would order a Shut Down of the state government if an agreement was not made and would be effective as of Today(Monday October 1st). Granholm's holding of the state government hostage seemed to have worked, as a tax increase was announced today. Among the things now being taxed include:
An increase of Income Tax to 4.35% from 3.9%. While this may seem minuscule, regular tax payers will have to forfeit another $350 to state taxes. While this may not sound like much, tell that to the 7.4% without work.
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Among things to see a newly implemented 6% sales tax include:
-Business Service Centers
-Carpet upholstery installation and service
-Couriers and Messengers
-Document Preparation
-Investigation guard and Armored services
-Investment Advice
-Janitorial
-Landscaping
-Warehousing and storage
-Mini-warehouse and self storage
-Scenic Transportation
-Transit and ground
-Passenger Limousines
-Office Administration
-Other personal services(This looks like a loophole to include everything else)
-Other travel and reservation services
-Personal care excluding haircuts
-Security system services
-Service Contracts
-Skiing
-Interior Design
-Tour Operators
-Consulting
-Packaging and labeling services
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So it's come to scraping quarters from a 13 year-old's paper route. Not to mention this entire taxing system seems to be nothing but a deterrent to small business and would inhibit growth of potential small commercial growth. I don't see a fix in sight, and I bet our state's economy gets much worse before it gets any better.
I know several people in these forums are from the state of Michigan. What do you guys think about this? Heck, what do the rest of you think about this? It seems to me that a cut in unneeded welfare recipients(cases such as real disability, recently unemployed, and the elderly not included.) would be a good start to fixing this budget rather than punishing those of us trying to look for work and/or working.
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| Re: Michigan is in a swirling-eddie of despair [message #287631 is a reply to message #287628] |
Mon, 01 October 2007 20:09  |
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nikki6ixx
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| cheesesoda wrote on Mon, 01 October 2007 21:35 |
This is a prime example of why government spending is never a good thing. The government will ALWAYS spend more money than it has (thanks to all of the idiots crying for government money), and then when deficits like this arise, the people are the ones fucked. It's a grand system, isn't it?
Not to mention this is why you don't let a Canadian try and govern your state. Stupid Granwhore.
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Yeah... and your country does such a great job in that department too. Only difference is, is that while we are running surpluses each year running, your government will have to once again raise the debt cap. What is it now, like, $8.9 Trillion? Better raise it fast, otherwise it won't be just Michiganites that'll be on the dole.
Dumb people come from any country.
Anyhow, many of Michigan's problems stem from its reliance on the auto sector. The UAW has done way more harm than good for the average-joe, and therefore, Domestic automakers are having to pack up and leave for other states, or countries, especially Canada and Mexico, and soon, China.
That shift could have been prevented, or lessened if the UAW realized that their demands could not be sustained in the future, or if people dissolved that moronic organization, and accepted the fact that you shouldn't be making $30+ an hour bolting rivets onto a truck frame, plus a gold plated health and retirement plan, and expect to keep it going.
Now that the deal with General Motors is done, only time will tell if the UAW will finally fossilize like the rest of the dinosaurs, or if it'll strangle America's last major manufacturing sector, and die with it.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Michigan is in a swirling-eddie of despair [message #287722 is a reply to message #287631] |
Tue, 02 October 2007 08:57 |
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cheesesoda
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 01 October 2007 23:09 |
Yeah... and your country does such a great job in that department too. Only difference is, is that while we are running surpluses each year running, your government will have to once again raise the debt cap. What is it now, like, $8.9 Trillion? Better raise it fast, otherwise it won't be just Michiganites that'll be on the dole.
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That's sort of my point... our country is so far in the hole because both sides wanting to spend government money on their idea of a perfect government... which is just an incredible waste of money.
If governments were small and only spent what they needed, we'd barely have to pay taxes.
What is Canada's income tax rate?
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Anyhow, many of Michigan's problems stem from its reliance on the auto sector. The UAW has done way more harm than good for the average-joe, and therefore, Domestic automakers are having to pack up and leave for other states, or countries, especially Canada and Mexico, and soon, China.
That shift could have been prevented, or lessened if the UAW realized that their demands could not be sustained in the future, or if people dissolved that moronic organization, and accepted the fact that you shouldn't be making $30+ an hour bolting rivets onto a truck frame, plus a gold plated health and retirement plan, and expect to keep it going.
Now that the deal with General Motors is done, only time will tell if the UAW will finally fossilize like the rest of the dinosaurs, or if it'll strangle America's last major manufacturing sector, and die with it.
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But those black people EARN their $30+/hr because they are really really edjumacated. It's true... who needs proper skoolin' if ya can jus rely on good ole UAW?
Again, I'll go back to the point that labor unions, especially when they get to a certain size, do more harm than good. They squeeze the business for all they got. The business gets a profit? The workers deserve more benefits and/or wages! The business losing money? It's because the workers aren't paid enough to do their work.
Bah Socialism.
whoa.
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| Re: Michigan is in a swirling-eddie of despair [message #287782 is a reply to message #287622] |
Tue, 02 October 2007 13:25 |
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warranto
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You don't specify Federal or Provincial, but just to satisfy your question"
Federal"
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15.5% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, +
22% on the next $37,179 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $37,178 and $74,357), +
26% on the next $46,530 of taxable income (on the portion of taxable income between $74,357 and $120,887), +
29% of taxable income over $120,887.
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Provincial / Territorial tax rates (combined chart) Provinces / Territories Rate(s)
Newfoundland and Labrador 9.64% on the first $29,886 of taxable income, +
14.98% on the next $29,886, +
17.26% on the amount over $59,772
Prince Edward Island 9.8% on the first $31,369 of taxable income, +
13.8% on the next $31,370, +
16.7% on the amount over $62,739
Nova Scotia 8.79% on the first $29,590 of taxable income, +
14.95% on the next $29,590, +
16.67% on the next $33,820 +
17.5% on the amount over $93,000
New Brunswick 10.12% on the first $34,186 of taxable income, +
15.48% on the next $34,188, +
16.8% on the next $42,787, +
17.95% on the amount over $111,161
Ontario 6.05% on the first $35,488 of taxable income, +
9.15% on the next $35,488, +
11.16% on the amount over $70,976
Manitoba 10.9% on the first $30,544 of taxable income, +
13% on the next $34,456, +
17.4% on the amount over $65,000
Saskatchewan 11% on the first $38,405 of taxable income, +
13% on the next $71,324, +
15% on the amount over $109,729
Alberta 10% of taxable income
British Columbia 5.7% on the first $34,397 of taxable income, +
8.65% on the next $34,397, +
11.1% on the next $10,190, +
13% on the next $16,925, +
14.7% on the amount over $95,909
Yukon 7.04% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, +
9.68% on the next $37,179, +
11.44% on the next $46,530, +
12.76% on the amount over $120,887
Northwest Territories 5.9% on the first $35,315 of taxable income, +
8.6% on the next $35,316, +
12.2% on the next $44,199, +
14.05% on the amount over $114,830
Nunavut 4% on the first $37,178 of taxable income, +
7% on the next $37,179, +
9% on the next $46,530, +
11.5% on the amount over $120,887
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| Re: Michigan is in a swirling-eddie of despair [message #287843 is a reply to message #287840] |
Tue, 02 October 2007 17:25 |
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nikki6ixx
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| Jecht wrote on Tue, 02 October 2007 17:19 |
Good god, where do they put all of those tax dollars in Canada? The medical system?
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Yepper. But we also pay into government pensions, Unemployment Insurance (which is like welfare, but you have to pay into it), and among other things, 'transfer payments' which the government uses to help prop up provincial governments that could not support their own services by themselves.
However, a good chunk of our change has gone to paying down our national debt.
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 January 2014 16:56 |
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| Re: Michigan is in a swirling-eddie of despair [message #288081 is a reply to message #288036] |
Wed, 03 October 2007 14:11 |
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ron paul
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| cheesesoda wrote on Wed, 03 October 2007 12:31 |
| ron paul wrote on Wed, 03 October 2007 13:04 |
this is why we need ron paul guyz
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Shut up, you pseudo-intellectual.
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hahahaha, you're a libertarian blogger
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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| Re: Michigan is in a swirling-eddie of despair [message #288138 is a reply to message #287622] |
Wed, 03 October 2007 16:42 |
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Jecht
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Why has Ron Paul become the topic for laughter? I wiki'd him and if the views he has are reminiscent of his actual ideals then he doesn't seem so bad. Although I've never seen him or heard him speak in public. I have to start doing my political research again..
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