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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239978 is a reply to message #239592] |
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I said it was an advantage, not a cheat.
Some people disallow clear scope from their servers, for the reason that it gives people an advantage (if they can't notice people as easily). some people may determine it cheating based on their own definition of cheating. Whether or not mild or not mild, it is an advantage. For example, some people might consider bright skins "cheating" because you can identify people a lot easier than a random person would who doesn't know how to download them if s/he wants to.
I think there was only one person who said it was cheating though. I would think it's up to the server admin to allow or disallow. It's a little unfair for the guy with the lone sbh to kill a guy if the other team has this. Of course, the person who got killed *might* tell the team anyways, with or without, but now the person with the sbh doesn't have a choice.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #239981 is a reply to message #239592] |
Thu, 18 January 2007 17:53 |
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I would agree there, but knowing if a team has NO sbhs is an advantage that I would put to use. Instead of repairing in the tiberium where I would normally repair if i really needed to, I could instead repair under cover, or just out in the open. The same could be said about knowing if there are any techs left.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240018 is a reply to message #239592] |
Thu, 18 January 2007 23:00 |
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My point was an sbh *killing* someone else, thus the sbh lives. And the only person who knows this is the person who he killed (which is probably someone who isn't smart enough to tell the team, or doesn't care enough) and any person who uses this script or whatever you want to call it. I did not say that if one sbh dies that means all of them are dead.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240025 is a reply to message #239592] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 00:30 |
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When this was in development i strongly suggested dead6re to also make a server side dll which would toggle this thing on or off. Meaning the client dll checks with the serevr dll if you can use it on this server or not. He choose to ignore this or simply didn't know how to do it, so be it.
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So you guys are saying that knowing what someones current character is, and what weapon they killed you with, is a cheat? As if 99% of the time you don't outright see them kill you.
This isn't the point! You choose to ignore the whole question. It's the fact you now also have all info on who was killed by whom for the complete game and not only for yourself. Big difference.
* In many servers, the enhanced kill messages not only show in IRC, but are broadcast via host messages...I guess they are forcing "cheats" onto their players?
What's so hard to understand in the explanation of sniper de7. Boradcast message = server side = all know it = all have the same info = no advantage for one compared to another.
* I play with dual monitors, and can see IRC while I play...I guess I'm using the dual monitor cheat, since I can see the kill messages? And no, I don't spy on team chat, which is displayed in a seperate admin-only channel.
Yes, you have an unfair advantage towards others. But as you are a serevr owner/admin, you can do whatever you want anyway, as stated before. TK2 has a passworded IRC and has strict, though hard to control, guidelines not to look in irc while playing for this reason.
* I often check the IRC kill messages to make sure someone else is not cheating. Like I'm driving my stank and suddenly it pops although nobody is around, I'm like WTF OMG HAX...then I check IRC and see that it was timed c4 that I obviously didn't see get tossed on me
Most of the time it won't even show up as timed c4 as ssaow cannot actually guess that it was timed if the player has changed weapons since. As I said, I guess this is your privilege as server owner/administrator.
* As mentioned, ALWAYS assume that SBH are about, even if the hand is destroyed, as that is the best time for SBH to be sneaky and own careless players. Seeing that an SBH killed you in a kill message shouldn't be considered a cheat, as you should always assume they are about.
Maybe in a 20v20 game but not in a 5v5 game. Anbd there's a difference between assuming and knowing which will influence your gameplay. If you assume the cops could be around teh corner then you mlight still drink a couple of glasses whereas if you know it, you will not drink any at all.
* I've often been sniped out of the blue and the killer will say in F2 chat "lol sbh sniper ownz u"...I guess he forced me to use the "know what killed you cheat"?
All have the same info, you don't have an advantage.
Seriously...you guys need to relax, lol.
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240039 is a reply to message #239592] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 02:14 |
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I decided not to implement a server side option because anything this DLL provides as information can be provided by any player. If someone is killed by an SBH when the HON is dead, they can tell you there is an SBH alive. It provides an advantage, I agree, but this advantage can be gained in other ways if you have a good team to work with.
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240041 is a reply to message #239592] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 02:22 |
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| Goztow wrote on Thu, 18 January 2007 23:30 |
* I often check the IRC kill messages to make sure someone else is not cheating. Like I'm driving my stank and suddenly it pops although nobody is around, I'm like WTF OMG HAX...then I check IRC and see that it was timed c4 that I obviously didn't see get tossed on me
Most of the time it won't even show up as timed c4 as ssaow cannot actually guess that it was timed if the player has changed weapons since. As I said, I guess this is your privilege as server owner/administrator.
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SSAOW might not show that yet, but DragonServ currently does show the owners of Timed/Remote C4 (in the moderator channels), what type exploded or was disarmed (and if the latter, by whom), and whether it was attached to anything. It's certainly possible, and not unrealistic to think Whitedragon may include this feature in the next SSAOW release.
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240071 is a reply to message #240067] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 08:23 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 10:18 |
Thats exactly why you ARE NOT, a mod. And I see why you don't even play ren anymore, because you obviously have no glue about gameplay 
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You're right, I don't have any glue about gameplay. Then again, I don't think anybody does.
I know damn well what gives people advantages, and if yellow SpongeBob C4 skins are not considered cheating, NoFear certainly is not cheating.
Also, just because I've stopped playing the game doesn't mean I stopped due to my lack of understanding of the game. It doesn't take a genius to figure these things out. It just takes simple logic and reasoning, but you would know nothing about them, apparently.
whoa.
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240077 is a reply to message #240076] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 08:37 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 09:34 |
| gamemodding wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 10:32 |
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Spelling/Grammar: This is a gaming forum, not literature. Keep the urge to correct to yourself. If it pains you so much to see someone misspell a word, miss a comma, etc., give them lessons in private because we don't want to see it on the forums. However, we would appreciate it if everyone's post was at least legible.
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If he can't fucking hit the 'c' key instead of the 'g' key, I can't be expected to hold to that rule.
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Ok, I see you left ren cuz u sucked so much (u have admitted this), why stay on these forums to correct spelling? But I do agree with u that u do need help.
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240079 is a reply to message #240077] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 08:43 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 10:37 |
| j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 09:34 |
| gamemodding wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 10:32 |
| ruelz |
Spelling/Grammar: This is a gaming forum, not literature. Keep the urge to correct to yourself. If it pains you so much to see someone misspell a word, miss a comma, etc., give them lessons in private because we don't want to see it on the forums. However, we would appreciate it if everyone's post was at least legible.
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If he can't fucking hit the 'c' key instead of the 'g' key, I can't be expected to hold to that rule.
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Ok, I see you left ren cuz u sucked so much (u have admitted this), why stay on these forums to correct spelling? But I do agree with u that u do need help.
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It's funny how you can only resort to ad hominem. LET'S NOT ATTACK THE ISSUE. LET'S ATTACK THE PERSON, INSTEAD.
You've yet to prove me wrong on ANYTHING. Until then, you don't reserve the right to insult my character.
whoa.
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240090 is a reply to message #240087] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 09:02 |
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| trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 15:58 |
1)you sucks balls at it
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why flame someone if they are bad on renegade? i have already admited i am a n00b but i play for fun. most of the time in ROFL at myself running circles shooting in the air. don't sink further down than you already have.
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| Re: Sour Egg Releases NoFear [message #240130 is a reply to message #240107] |
Fri, 19 January 2007 11:43 |
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| Silent Kane wrote on Fri, 19 January 2007 11:47 |
trooprm02 is the official retard of the week.
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week? he is the biggest retard.
This isn't a cheat, but it gives players an advantage over people without it. That is the reason I think it should be a server side modification, sure it doesn't make a huge difference but if I choose to load up bright sniper skins, c4, colourful stealth, clear scope this and any other non-cheat then the advantage starts to stack up.
It's all irrelevant as the cat is out of the bag and it isn't going back in - perhaps something like this should be included in RG 1.04 to help level the playing field (especially as it can be turned off if desired)
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