| worst weapon? [message #-964351] |
Mon, 20 January 2003 12:24   |
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Originally posted by C4kitty:
There is no doubt that the mob is a good unit to use.... however he is not the best ever..... his ability to kill tanks is on the level with that with a powersuit/rave..... with one difference the range... the range of this unit makes it ineffective when trying to confront vehicles from a distance... there is no doubt that this unit can kill a substantial amount of armoured units... however..... any skilled tank driver can easily take this unit out via shooting the ground the mob is standing on.....the volt gun's tendency to make the mob a close range unit makes it lower on the list of effective ness.............
you also stated that the flame trooper is 2nd most useless unit.... it range is limited..... but the fact that this unit is exceptionally good in close quarters rivals that of the chemtrooper..... also the ability for 2 of these units to take out a building with one clip prior to a c4 drop makes them invaluable on non-defense maps.....
I've never had a problem with range on Mobius, and on the same note as your "any good tank driver" line, I'd say any good Mobius would be able to hold their own.
Flame troopers are terrible, I'm sorry... they are the worst free unit by far, and are only truly effective early game in groups, like you said. I'd much rather have the grenadier.
I thought about this today some more, too. I think GDI getting shafted on the Sydney-Chemwarrior tradeoff is more than compensated by the fact that GDI gets grenadiers while Nod gets stuck with flamethrowers.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964350] |
Mon, 20 January 2003 21:07 |
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quote:
Originally posted by Deathgod:
quote:
Originally posted by C4kitty:
There is no doubt that the mob is a good unit to use.... however he is not the best ever..... his ability to kill tanks is on the level with that with a powersuit/rave..... with one difference the range... the range of this unit makes it ineffective when trying to confront vehicles from a distance... there is no doubt that this unit can kill a substantial amount of armoured units... however..... any skilled tank driver can easily take this unit out via shooting the ground the mob is standing on.....the volt gun's tendency to make the mob a close range unit makes it lower on the list of effective ness.............
you also stated that the flame trooper is 2nd most useless unit.... it range is limited..... but the fact that this unit is exceptionally good in close quarters rivals that of the chemtrooper..... also the ability for 2 of these units to take out a building with one clip prior to a c4 drop makes them invaluable on non-defense maps.....
I've never had a problem with range on Mobius, and on the same note as your "any good tank driver" line, I'd say any good Mobius would be able to hold their own.
Flame troopers are terrible, I'm sorry... they are the worst free unit by far, and are only truly effective early game in groups, like you said. I'd much rather have the grenadier.
I thought about this today some more, too. I think GDI getting shafted on the Sydney-Chemwarrior tradeoff is more than compensated by the fact that GDI gets grenadiers while Nod gets stuck with flamethrowers.
just what free infantry unit owns later on in the game anyways....... I'd like to know how you could possibly think this....... all free infantry are just that...... free and thus used early on....... or when you have zero cash...... all these units are standards..... and yes like you say they all have their own specialty..... but saying that the flametrooper is useless is just ignorant..... you're ingnoring the fact that it's a close range high damage unit.... and the grenedeer is a long to mid range high damage unit.....if you look at where these units are supposed to be used and examine that you'll fine the flame trooper on par with the grenedeer.....
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| worst weapon? [message #-964349] |
Tue, 21 January 2003 01:29 |
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Nope, I'm sorry. The grenadier is death from a distance, over walls, and from above. He also does huge damage to vehicles. 3 or 4 grenadiers will own any vehicle rush. I can't say the same about 3 or 4 flamethrowers. I just brush them aside, it takes them too long to do damage.
Besides, if you're only using them early game, you're limiting yourself needlessly.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964348] |
Tue, 21 January 2003 03:39 |
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Grenadier is not very good at short range or the grenade just bounce off the enemy instead of explod. Flame thrower have longer range than you think and they own grenadier and shot gun soldier if you use them correctly.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964347] |
Tue, 21 January 2003 17:31 |
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To have the full-effect damage of the Flamethrower, you need to be at least 1 meter away from the target.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964345] |
Tue, 21 January 2003 12:29 |
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definately any weapon with out ammo....give me ammo or give me....well...i'm takin you head anyway ![[Razz]](tongue.gif)
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| worst weapon? [message #-964344] |
Tue, 21 January 2003 22:31 |
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Deathgod - I agree that a grenadier is an excellent weapon - but a flametrower is also very good. In a tunnel, a skilled grenadier would probably kill a flamer, but out in the open - the flamer slaughters grenadiers. Anti infantry - the flamer generally has the advantage.
Even a n00b can use a flamer effectively ![[Big Grin]](biggrin.gif) , but a grenadier is a skill weapon. ![[Frown]](frown.gif)
Grenades are also more effective against vehicles - but again its a skill weapon - many of your shots would miss a moving target (mammys and harvesters dont count), also its effective range is midrange, so you cant get too close.
Grenadiers really come into their own on building attacks from the oustide - a pair of grenadiers can knock out a building from the outside early on if it is not repaired - and it gets you a lot of points.
My personal preference is the grenadier, but i would never ever write off the flamethrower. I am deadlier with the grenade than even the shotgun at close range on in tunnels. But if there was a tank blockade outside my base on field for example - i could do a lot more damage with a flamer than a grenadier, partly because the stupider drivers tend to ignore the flamer.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964343] |
Wed, 22 January 2003 02:18 |
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Originally posted by Renegod:
Deathgod - I agree that a grenadier is an excellent weapon - but a flametrower is also very good. In a tunnel, a skilled grenadier would probably kill a flamer, but out in the open - the flamer slaughters grenadiers. Anti infantry - the flamer generally has the advantage.
Even a n00b can use a flamer effectively , but a grenadier is a skill weapon.
I disagree that Flamethrower is effective in the open. It is MUCH EASIER to kill a flamethrower soldier in the open because the flamethrower's attack cannot do headshot damage(rarely happens) and the enemy could back off while firing at the flame soldier.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964342] |
Wed, 22 January 2003 10:22 |
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I found the grenade launcher has specific advantages. Let me explain. Last night on Mesa Nod had lost everything but the hand. Of course it was filled with proxy mines and enemy so entering it alone was pointless. GDI had tanks pounding it but the engies inside neutralized this. Now the grenader allowed me to lob nades through the windows damaging the hand/mct plus the engies inside - granted we didn't win but no other weapon is able to do that.
the0ne
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| worst weapon? [message #-964341] |
Wed, 22 January 2003 11:15 |
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so you want to kill the engies inside that are repairing the hon............ well it's pretty easy when you take an mrl and shoot the screen above the mct and give splash damage to everyone standing close to the mct...... i've personally got 15 kills just by shooting that area in a 3 minute time span.....
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| worst weapon? [message #-964340] |
Wed, 22 January 2003 16:28 |
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Originally posted by C4kitty:
so you want to kill the engies inside that are repairing the hon............ well it's pretty easy when you take an mrl and shoot the screen above the mct and give splash damage to everyone standing close to the mct...... i've personally got 15 kills just by shooting that area in a 3 minute time span.....
c4kitty :
sorry I failed to mention in my example that GDI was minus the ref when I joined the game - no cash for MRLS's
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| worst weapon? [message #-964339] |
Sun, 26 January 2003 06:09 |
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I think the worst weapon is the grenade launcher. It is hard to aim at a person and doesnt do much damage to vehicles. Other than that the pistol is really bad.
I read a post that said greanade launchers were best and it said that A grenade launcher is easy if they are standing still and i thought to myself, any gun is easy is they are not moving. That person is not too smart now is he.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964338] |
Mon, 27 January 2003 02:54 |
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Originally posted by MadCat189:
I think the worst weapon is the grenade launcher. It is hard to aim at a person and doesnt do much damage to vehicles. Other than that the pistol is really bad.
I read a post that said greanade launchers were best and it said that A grenade launcher is easy if they are standing still and i thought to myself, any gun is easy is they are not moving. That person is not too smart now is he.
Then you greatly do not understand weapon mechanics. It's not hard at all to hit someone with a grenade launcher. Not only that, it does very effective damage to a vehicle for it's price; free.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964337] |
Mon, 27 January 2003 02:55 |
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The grenade launcher does 240+ damage to vehicles with one clip of 8 grenades. How is that not a lot of damage?
One grenade does as much as one rocket from the outside of a building, except the grenadier gets 48 grenades compared to 42 rockets. He is the only free character who can take out a building from the inside every time, guaranteed (unless you're l33t with engy C4).
One headshot from a grenade = death. I did this twice in a row last night while defending my C4 in a game. One of the grenades bounced off the wall and hit a guy running away from me square in the brain. You can't get that kind of quality spectacle with any other weapon.
I had a game the other night on Glacier where I joined and all we had was our WF, repair facility, and AGT (no power). I took a grenadier and killed 7 stealth tanks that game, and was 2nd place overall after only playing for 5 minutes. I fail to see how grenadiers suck. I think you just don't know how to use them.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964336] |
Mon, 27 January 2003 08:27 |
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The pistol is a great weapon! Shh! Yeah it is! I can kill many many things with the pistol... maybe not a mammoth tank.. but i can sure do damage! Like this one time i was in a game and i was an engineer and 6 sukaras were all around me... i was like "Ha! He! Ha!" Lunging at them.. not one of them seemed scared.. so i pulled out my pistol and suddenly they all sprinted off!! I managed to get a few headshots, but i didn't kill any of them! Hehe you can bet your ass they didn't come near me again! YAH HE HA!
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| worst weapon? [message #-964335] |
Mon, 27 January 2003 09:13 |
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Originally posted by eggmac:
the machinegun of the officer. Does no damage to tanks and is no better than a minigun to infantery.
worst weapon for the amount you have to pay for it...definately the only time I use it is when it comes down to infantry only and I only have 400 credits...although I usually use Sydney instead
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| worst weapon? [message #-964334] |
Mon, 27 January 2003 12:17 |
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Originally posted by Duke of Nukes:
quote:
Originally posted by eggmac:
the machinegun of the officer. Does no damage to tanks and is no better than a minigun to infantery.
worst weapon for the amount you have to pay for it...definately the only time I use it is when it comes down to infantry only and I only have 400 credits...although I usually use Sydney instead
Doing 10 bucks a pop worth of damage to a standard infantry, I'd say you're greatly mistaken. Keep in mind, thats not even a head shot.
Officer's are amazing units.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964333] |
Mon, 27 January 2003 12:44 |
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Originally posted by lukazan:
The pistol is a great weapon! Shh! Yeah it is! I can kill many many things with the pistol... maybe not a mammoth tank.. but i can sure do damage! Like this one time i was in a game and i was an engineer and 6 sukaras were all around me... i was like "Ha! He! Ha!" Lunging at them.. not one of them seemed scared.. so i pulled out my pistol and suddenly they all sprinted off!! I managed to get a few headshots, but i didn't kill any of them! Hehe you can bet your ass they didn't come near me again! YAH HE HA!
you're right........ they probably got smart and took off your head from a distance
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| worst weapon? [message #-964331] |
Tue, 28 January 2003 02:06 |
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quote:
Originally posted by C4kitty:
quote:
Originally posted by lukazan:
The pistol is a great weapon! Shh! Yeah it is! I can kill many many things with the pistol... maybe not a mammoth tank.. but i can sure do damage! Like this one time i was in a game and i was an engineer and 6 sukaras were all around me... i was like "Ha! He! Ha!" Lunging at them.. not one of them seemed scared.. so i pulled out my pistol and suddenly they all sprinted off!! I managed to get a few headshots, but i didn't kill any of them! Hehe you can bet your ass they didn't come near me again! YAH HE HA!
you're right........ they probably got smart and took off your head from a distance
Hehehaha, no.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964330] |
Tue, 28 January 2003 11:44 |
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the best free weapon is GRENADE LAUNCHER
i've got 2nd place on the winning team in a 40 player game on volcano doing nothing but shoot the nod ref from tunnel, i died 3 times, i don't go for refill, i c4 myself, and if i'm lucky, nod will kill me so in total I used 4 GRENADE LAUNCHER and got 900 points in game which comes to 250 ladder points for doing nothing, thanks grande launcher.
and the worst free weapon is flame thrower, you can't see what you're shooting with flame, and everyone will see huge flame and shoot into the flame and kill you, same goes with the c.w.
the stealth guy's laser rifle is crap, i use the 9mm everytime i go on stealth nuking runs, the engineer don't jump as much when they are hit by small bullets, when you shoot lasers they jump and run sideways and trys to kill you man
fcdrazen's mom
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| worst weapon? [message #-964329] |
Mon, 10 February 2003 04:47 |
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You guys supporting flamethrowers forgot to mention that the flamethrower, when fired at someone clouds their view. So they cant see you or people around you, i think thats an advantage for it over grenade launcher.
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| worst weapon? [message #-964328] |
Mon, 10 February 2003 17:15 |
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I dont know how to quote so I have to do this manually. fcdrazenmom, u say that the flamethrower is bad and then at the end u said also the c.w. I'm assuming that thst is chem warrior. The chem warior can take out infantry pretty quickly, is good on tanks, and he can take down a building by himself . Also as vegita246 said, the flame thrower clouds peoples veiw. I am just stating my opinion. ![[Cool]](cool.gif)
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| worst weapon? [message #-964327] |
Tue, 11 February 2003 10:41 |
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I dont think that any of the weapons are really that bad. However, the shotgun is a pretty lame weapon unless you can, for instance, sneak up on snipers and hit them in the head with it. The chainguns a fairly lame waste of money. BTW, my all time favorite tankkiller weapon is the pistol ![[Roll Eyes]](rolleyes.gif)
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