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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327556 is a reply to message #327550] |
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GEORGE ZIMMER
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I am much more intelligent than to post something as idiotic as "LOL UR A PUSSY" i don't even use caps. you're a nerd who gets mad a lot.
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Like I said, I wasn't being serious. Either you're not intelligent enough to notice this, or you're just trolling yet again. Either way, you fail. Oh, and once again, your ultra ability to read minds comes into play when you can read my mind over the internet and tell whether I'm mad or simply making fun of you.
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and I repeat that the only people who want guns are the small-town retards and hillbillies who are only full of their ignorant paranoia.
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Hmm, funny, because I don't live in a "small town", I don't have any mental disabilities, nor am I a "hillbilly". Yet I support gun laws.
Funny how that works out, huh?
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327707 is a reply to message #327594] |
Thu, 24 April 2008 16:13 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 06:22 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 00:04 |
| Cabal8616 wrote on Wed, 23 April 2008 22:33 |
I was mostly parodying rocko's idiotic and troll-filled responses.
I find it funny that he's incapable of actually putting up a decent discussion, so instead he just trolls.
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I am much more intelligent than to post something as idiotic as "LOL UR A PUSSY" i don't even use caps. you're a nerd who gets mad a lot.
and I repeat that the only people who want guns are the small-town retards and hillbillies who are only full of their ignorant paranoia.
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I'm employed, going to school, born and raised a city boy, and am middle-class. There's nothing "hillbilly" about me, yet I absolutely despise gun control laws. Care to take another crack at your baseless generalization?
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i also included ignorant paranoia
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327725 is a reply to message #327707] |
Thu, 24 April 2008 18:17 |
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| Rocko wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 18:13 |
| cheesesoda wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 06:22 |
| Rocko wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 00:04 |
| Cabal8616 wrote on Wed, 23 April 2008 22:33 |
I was mostly parodying rocko's idiotic and troll-filled responses.
I find it funny that he's incapable of actually putting up a decent discussion, so instead he just trolls.
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I am much more intelligent than to post something as idiotic as "LOL UR A PUSSY" i don't even use caps. you're a nerd who gets mad a lot.
and I repeat that the only people who want guns are the small-town retards and hillbillies who are only full of their ignorant paranoia.
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I'm employed, going to school, born and raised a city boy, and am middle-class. There's nothing "hillbilly" about me, yet I absolutely despise gun control laws. Care to take another crack at your baseless generalization?
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i also included ignorant paranoia
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327740 is a reply to message #325353] |
Thu, 24 April 2008 20:49 |
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when will you ever have a real use for guns other than for sport? its very unlikely that you're going to get robbed and be able to use that gun to defend yourself and kill the guy.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327758 is a reply to message #327740] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 03:33 |
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| Rocko wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 23:49 |
when will you ever have a real use for guns other than for sport? its very unlikely that you're going to get robbed and be able to use that gun to defend yourself and kill the guy.
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When the Zombies come, will you be ready?
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327761 is a reply to message #327740] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 04:26 |
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| Rocko wrote on Thu, 24 April 2008 22:49 |
when will you ever have a real use for guns other than for sport? its very unlikely that you're going to get robbed and be able to use that gun to defend yourself and kill the guy.
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I disagree. If you're not a dumbass with the gun (Which I pray you wouldn't be), you'd stand as much of a chance of surviving then as the guy robbing you... If not more because you'd know the layout of your own home and etc.
Banning gun laws won't make crime any less. If anything, it'll just increase crime rates because then, any form of robber will be like "Hey, they won't have shit to defend themselves- I can just rob this house and be fine, since I actually have a gun". And yes, believe it or not, it IS possible to get a gun illegally 
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| cAmpa wrote on Sat, 24 January 2009 12:45 |
Scrin, stop pming people to get the building bars.
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FUCK YOU AND THIS SHIT GAME WITH YOUR SCRIPTS!!! I HAVE ASKING YOU AND ANOTHER NOOBS HERE ABOUT HELP WITH THAT BUILDING ICONS FEATURES FOR YEARS, BUT YOU KEEP IGNORING ME AND KEEP WRITE SHIT, SO BURN YOU AND YOUR ASSLICKERS FRIENDS, THIS TIME I'M NOT COME BACK!!!!!!!!!
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327774 is a reply to message #325353] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 05:29 |
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Robbers will just go "ow shit, the guy probably has a gun in his home, so I'll just kill him in his sleep before jacking his car and stereo instead of just jacking his car and stereo quietly, hoping he doesn't wake up.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327790 is a reply to message #325353] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 08:29 |
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Robbers, generally, aren't out to be murderers. They're not going to kill the owner of the house, but I don't doubt that they'll carry a weapon, at least a knife. Even if it was their intent, there's still a chance that you can wake up. I'd rather own a gun and bank on me waking up than just shrugging my shoulders and accept that the intruder is going to kill me before I wake up, so there's no point in getting a gun. That's just fucking stupid.
Plus, if you buy a gun for protection, you generally don't buy it EXPECTING to be attacked/robbed, you buy it IN CASE you are. You don't EXPECT to have a house fire, so you buy a smoke detector. You buy the smoke detector IN CASE it happens. The same thing goes for alarm systems and airbags in cars. Do you intend on getting into a car accident? I know I don't, but I feel safer having an airbag to protect me IN CASE I get into an accident.
Do some people buy guns out of paranoia? Sure, but I wouldn't say the majority of people are paranoid.
Guns aren't even just for protection, either. They are used for sport and hunting, too. Plus, if you take guns away from the law-abiding citizens, you leave the weapons in the hands of those with malicious intentions. Even if you were to somehow remove all guns from black markets worldwide and stop the production of weapons outside of military and police forces, you'd still have people making their own guns. They're not that difficult to create on one's own. Sure, the guns created won't be incredibly sophisticated, but with the technology available, they could be damn near as effective.
Not to mention that it's a fucking fantasy idea to think that removing guns is going to help reduce crime. As cliché as it is, guns don't kill people, people kill people. You can remove the weapon, but you can't remove the evil in people. It just won't happen, and there's been violence for millenia before guns were produced. Hell, there's violence in the animal kingdom. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to think that we can escape human nature by eradicating guns from society.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327830 is a reply to message #327790] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 11:34 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 10:29 |
Robbers, generally, aren't out to be murderers. They're not going to kill the owner of the house, but I don't doubt that they'll carry a weapon, at least a knife. Even if it was their intent, there's still a chance that you can wake up. I'd rather own a gun and bank on me waking up than just shrugging my shoulders and accept that the intruder is going to kill me before I wake up, so there's no point in getting a gun. That's just fucking stupid.
Plus, if you buy a gun for protection, you generally don't buy it EXPECTING to be attacked/robbed, you buy it IN CASE you are. You don't EXPECT to have a house fire, so you buy a smoke detector. You buy the smoke detector IN CASE it happens. The same thing goes for alarm systems and airbags in cars. Do you intend on getting into a car accident? I know I don't, but I feel safer having an airbag to protect me IN CASE I get into an accident.
Do some people buy guns out of paranoia? Sure, but I wouldn't say the majority of people are paranoid.
Guns aren't even just for protection, either. They are used for sport and hunting, too. Plus, if you take guns away from the law-abiding citizens, you leave the weapons in the hands of those with malicious intentions. Even if you were to somehow remove all guns from black markets worldwide and stop the production of weapons outside of military and police forces, you'd still have people making their own guns. They're not that difficult to create on one's own. Sure, the guns created won't be incredibly sophisticated, but with the technology available, they could be damn near as effective.
Not to mention that it's a fucking fantasy idea to think that removing guns is going to help reduce crime. As cliché as it is, guns don't kill people, people kill people. You can remove the weapon, but you can't remove the evil in people. It just won't happen, and there's been violence for millenia before guns were produced. Hell, there's violence in the animal kingdom. You'd have to be a fucking idiot to think that we can escape human nature by eradicating guns from society.
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I agree with all of what you are saying, but unless I have missed it in your post you are forgetting the number one reason people should be able to own guns and that reason is to keep the power into the hands of the people, to prevent the government from encroaching on people's civil liberties. Putting the fear of the people into the minds of the government makes them...somehow unwilling to try to restrict liberties of the populace. I am willing to bet that was the reason the founders put the Second Amendment into the Constitution. They saw the surprise and utter frustration the British had during the Revolutionary War in trying to disarm and pacify the colonies.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327833 is a reply to message #327831] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 12:10 |
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| cheesesoda wrote on Fri, 25 April 2008 13:44 |
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I agree with all of what you are saying, but unless I have missed it in your post you are forgetting the number one reason people should be able to own guns and that reason is to keep the power into the hands of the people, to prevent the government from encroaching on people's civil liberties. Putting the fear of the people into the minds of the government makes them...somehow unwilling to try to restrict liberties of the populace. I am willing to bet that was the reason the founders put the Second Amendment into the Constitution. They saw the surprise and utter frustration the British had during the Revolutionary War in trying to disarm and pacify the colonies.
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Oh, trust me, I agree completely. That argument just seems to be completely ignored by gun-control advocates. It's absolutely essential that we have the ability to fight back against our government. My argument was just against the whole "ignorant paranoia" assumption and Goztow's fucked up idea that somehow there's no point to defending your home because you're not going to get the chance to.
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For one of my college classes I had to do a research paper on gun control, in that I place a lot of emphasis on the psychological aspect of gun control. You're right, robbers aren't out to murder people, they aren't that kind of criminal even though if put into the wrong situation they can be, they want to steal and take things from others, it just makes sense to rob someone who would be unable to properly defend themselves. If the robber knew the said person had a firearm he would most likely want to avoid his house because coming upon a confrontation is not his prerogative, it is bad business to do so. This is just the psychological component, the physical is even more real, it is a simple fact that guns kill people, and yes...they even kill bad people who are out to do you harm.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327835 is a reply to message #325353] |
Fri, 25 April 2008 12:20 |
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Yeah, they're going to save their skin above all else. If you wake up while they're in your house, they're very likely to do you harm if you try to confront them (and why wouldn't you? It's your shit they're taking!). If you have a gun, this puts you on an equal level as them if they have a gun, or it puts you at an advantage if they have nothing, a knife, or a blunt object.
Gun control is nothing more than a feel good law. It makes sense that people would feel better knowing that a random person can't just go buy a gun... at a store. People seem to forget that you can get guns from so many different outlets, and the people buying the weapons aren't law-abiding. If people actually realized what gun control did, I don't know if anybody sane or law-abiding would support gun control.
Since you can't keep the guns out of the hands of the criminals, the only logical thing is to keep the innocent armed. Plus, the largest criminal is the government, and they're armed to the teeth.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327887 is a reply to message #325353] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 02:13 |
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You know cheesesoda, it's not because someone disagrees with you that he has fucked up ideas.
Robbers will also avoid your house when you install a security system. Don't you find that a better way to protect your house than to buy a pistol to shoot the crap out of the guy?
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327890 is a reply to message #325353] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 04:05 |
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I find it weird that Canada has more guns (hunting rifles, etc.) per capita than the U.S. and yet has many less gun related deaths per year. Oh yea, in some Canadian suburbs, people sleep with their doors open, and nothing happens to them.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327895 is a reply to message #327891] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 06:04 |
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Why not? Dont you stand behind your opinion, dont you think that your opinion is right and the opposing opinion is wrong?
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See, that's what went wrong in Germany 65 years ago...
I do think that his opinion is wrong, but he has every right to have it and if he arguments around it, I'll consider his arguments. I respect his opinion and I would like him to respect mine.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327901 is a reply to message #325353] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 07:13 |
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Okay, so Goztow, you support people having alarm systems, instead?
Okay, let's compare pricing:
For a watered down alarm system: $112
10 shot .40 S&W pistol: $146
There were guns on that site for < $100, but I really wouldn't feel safe wielding one of them. Though, I'd probably feel safer with a $99 pistol than a $112 alarm system.
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Now, what can you do with that shitty alarm system? Well, hope that it actually works because it doesn't look like it could protect your whole house. I don't know if it comes with stickers or not, which would help it, but it doesn't look like it.
What can you do with that $34 more pistol (or even the $13 cheaper)? You can protect your entire home with the pistol because it's mobile enough that you can grab it and hide (or confront the intruder). You can take the gun outside of your home (granting you can and do have a CCW permit) and protect you when you're on the go. You can use the gun for recreational purposes which, to me, would be fun.
Now the drawbacks to both of these available systems is that if you're away from your house, the protection is pretty much useless. Thankfully, you CAN have home security monitoring services and a better security system, but that's going to cost you considerably more, and if you do have a monitoring system, it'll cost you monthly. In America (at least), you can get ADT which looks to range from $36 to $49 dollars a month. As the monthly cost goes down, the installation cost goes up, too.
Even then, the ADT system doesn't provide you with mobile protection or the recreational abilities of a gun.
The logical thing for me would seem to be to purchase a gun.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327902 is a reply to message #325353] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 07:19 |
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Matter of fact is that of guns aren't freely available the likelihood of a burglar coming in your house with one is pretty low which means you can defend yourself with other means as well. And the problem is that thief will now msot likely also have a gun and he will prolly should before you do.
Its not blaming the tool, its keeping the irresponsible users from it.
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| Re: RIP charleston heston [message #327903 is a reply to message #325353] |
Sat, 26 April 2008 07:22 |
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Wow, a perfect example of the ignorance that a feel good law provides...
Weapons are a worldwide market. Hell, if it's been possible to purchase nuclear submarines over the black market, I don't see there being a problem of purchasing guns. That would seem quite feasible. Not to mention that guns purchased on the black market aren't registered to the criminal, so that's another benefit for them to buy off of the black market, anyway.
Oh, and I'd still rather have a gun versus a knife, any day. Are you going to tell me that we should limit the sale of knives, too?
Edit: You know your house better than an intruder, right? I don't see it being too hard to take advantage of your knowledge of your surroundings to overcome an intruder and get the first shot off. It's always been a smart tactic to use your knowledge of your environment as an advantage over your foreign attacker.
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