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Sun, 27 March 2005 19:15   |
Jzinsky
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I've seen a fair amount of this, and from what I understand she had an eating disorder, which caused cardiac arrest, which in turn caused the brain to pretty much turn into spinal fluid. I've also heard there is a 100% no chance of recovery, and if there was, she'd starve herself again (point made from prementioned eating disorder)
If that's true then she wants to die, she's braindead now. Her soul is most probably gone and recognising people's faces could (imho) be attributed to what little brain she has left.
I think she should be allowed to die seeing as she's pretty much dead anyway. It may sound harsh but I don't see the point of prolonging this when there's millions dying of things like war, cureable disease, murder, etc.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146104] |
Sun, 27 March 2005 20:01 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Too bad it makes the difference between professional opinion and personal opinion, eh?
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No it doesn't.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146105] |
Sun, 27 March 2005 20:04 |
Jzinsky
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Well, as I have suffered this many a time, I can say it does. I have built my own pc and network, yet I can't get a job doing data input. I am doing a course in Java 2, yet because I don't have anything on paper to say I know about computers, I cannot get any kind of it work.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146114] |
Sun, 27 March 2005 20:39 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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To be as smart as the average PhD student, it's not a requirement to have a PhD. My dad has worked as a development editor assessing the scientific content that biology students going for PhDs read in books during their schooling his whole career.
But it doesn't take his knowledge to see the hole in Schiavo's head, along with the smoothing of the brain's surface in the rear to know she's been gone for a long time.
Oh, and if it interests you all, Tom Delay (R-TX) pulled the plug on his dad when he was in the hospital, and Terri's dad pulled the plug on his mother.
And Jeb Bush apparently declared martial law when he sent paramilitary forces to the hospice where Terri Schiavo is in an attempt to "rescue" her in direct violation of a court order. But since the local police were under court order to protect Schiavo, they had no choice but to bar passage to the state officials, and that died down quickly.
But you don't hear that on FOX News. Instead, they try to make up for it with their Nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine. [There are two things wrong with that. Figure them out.]
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146115] |
Sun, 27 March 2005 20:41 |
Jzinsky
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| SuperFlyingEngi |
To be as smart as the average PhD student, it's not a requirement to have a PhD.
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Maybe not, but to be anything in this country, you have to have been doing it for 2 years
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146124] |
Sun, 27 March 2005 22:28 |
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So because your dad is a "science buff", he's allowed to walk into an OR and perform brain surgery? He's allowed to diagnose brain death? Is he also performing stem cell research? If not, then it's a personal opinion, an educated guess at the very best.
Funny that you are talking about this "Nobel Peace Prize nominee" (that I don't know a thing about, btw)... while a few months ago (here) you were singing the praises of someone on the "short list" for a Nobel Prize?
I'm the bawss.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146163] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 07:38 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Understanding how a brain works and performing brain surgery are two entirely different things. To be fair, I never actually said my dad offered anything more than a personal opinion, it's just that PhDs seem to be a bit over-valued here.
Ok, here's what is wrong with a Nominee for the Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine:
A) There is no Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine. It's a Nobel Prize in Medicine.
B) There is no such thing as a nominee for it. The short list is a different thing entirely. What they fail to mention on network TV is that he was "nominated" for the prize by his state governor, who has no authority at all to recommend anyone for anything over at Oslo.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146172] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 08:25 |
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Terri Shiavo has been braindead for over a decade. The pretend rumor that she hasn't is a lie perpetuated by Republicans in the media in an effort to create yet another wedge issue of morality.
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Like it or not, the goverment and the republicans are not out to get you, your dad however is out to ruin your life and turn you into a evil monstor with no value for human life enless of course its a terrorist or dog, then GO SAVE THEM!!!
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What they, and Terri's family have done, is rob the husband of an incredible sum of money keeping a body without a brain on life support.
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......I don't even know what to say to this. This is by far the stupidest statement I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
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Letting the body die from lack of sustenance is not morally wrong to me, since there is no brain to suffer from it. Even if there were, she's under so many drugs she would feel nothing anyways.
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You are a sick fuck. Not morally wrong eh? Ever seen someone starve to death?
Yea, your right. THAT is not morally wrong at all.
Super's America !!! PEACE AND FREEDOM FROM TERRORIST.
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Nope, still 14 for another 2 months. But my dad is a huge science buff, and I can't help but live under his roof.
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But my dad, but my dad said this, but my dad said this. Your dad is an idiot. Your supposed to be the "awww we're killing innocent civilians" fucktard, and now look. Its an innocent american and your saying "ah w/e its not wrong to me, stave her."
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146177] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 09:00 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Like it or not, the goverment and the republicans are not out to get you, your dad however is out to ruin your life and turn you into a evil monstor with no value for human life enless of course its a terrorist or dog, then GO SAVE THEM!!!
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You're a funny kid.
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......I don't even know what to say to this. This is by far the stupidest statement I've ever had the displeasure of reading.
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This all started with the malpractice lawsuit filed against the doctor who let Schiavo kill herself, and when the parents didn't get any money from the suit, they started all this.
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You are a sick fuck. Not morally wrong eh? Ever seen someone starve to death?
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A body without a mind, you idiot. You really didn't glean that from the context?
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But my dad, but my dad said this, but my dad said this. Your dad is an idiot. Your supposed to be the "awww we're killing innocent civilians" fucktard, and now look. Its an innocent american and your saying "ah w/e its not wrong to me, stave her."
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There's nothing to suffer from a bunch of cells being starved. Terri Schiavo no longer has a brain to suffer with.
- By the way -
Did you all know that George Bush signed a law in Texas that allowed hospitals to pull the plug on patients like Terri Schiavo if the patient's insurance runs out?
The hypocrisy never ends...
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George Bush signed the law which allows the hospitals to make this decision:
A patient's inability to pay for medical care combined with a prognosis that renders further care futile are two reasons a hospital might suggest cutting off life support, the chief medical officer at St. Luke's Episcopal Hospital said Monday.
Dr. David Pate's comments came as the family of Spiro Nikolouzos fights to keep St. Luke's from turning off the ventilator and artificial feedings keeping the 68-year-old grandfather alive.
St. Luke's notified Jannette Nikolouzos in a March 1 letter that it would withdraw life-sustaining care of her husband of 34 years in 10 days, which would be Friday. Mario Caba-llero, the attorney representing the family, said he is seeking a two-week extension, at minimum, to give the man more time to improve and to give his family more time to find an alternative facility.
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The Bill (Search for section 166.044)
Apparently, this is a matter of principle for the GOP.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146281] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 18:36 |
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. What they fail to mention on network TV is that he was "nominated" for the prize by his state governor, who has no authority at all to recommend anyone for anything over at Oslo.
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You're partly correct, but only missing a few key points..
He was nominated by a congressman on the recommendation of the International Police chiefs federation... I was led to believe that the Congressman was also a Dr, which could have given credibility to his ability to nominate, but that may not be true.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146294] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 19:50 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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No one has a right to nominate anyone for a non-existant award, because
A) There are no nominations for the Nobel Prize, pardoning the fact that there is no Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine.
Or am I tragically mistaken? Please, if doctors are allowed to nominate other people for non-existant awards, show me where it says that.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146305] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 20:32 |
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Hydra
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Not necessarily legally. In THIS case, Michael is the LEGAL guardian. And it is unfortunate that it is like that, because what he is doing is nothing short of litigated murder.
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This proves that the legal system is flawed, and it's very sad that this woman has to die as a consequence.
As of 9 years ago, and that's the only CT scan ever taken of her brain. Her husband wouldn't allow an MRI be done on her, which would reveal much more about the brain that cannot be gathered from a CT scan.
Other than that sorry excuse for "evidence", you have no evidence that she is simply "a body without a mind," that she cannot feel pain, and that she is truly unconcious, so everything you have said in this thread means absolute dick (then again, that also applies to everything you have ever said in this forum).
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146306] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 20:32 |
msgtpain
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No one has a right to nominate anyone for a non-existant award, because
A) There are no nominations for the Nobel Prize, pardoning the fact that there is no Nobel Peace Prize in Medicine.
Or am I tragically mistaken? Please, if doctors are allowed to nominate other people for non-existant awards, show me where it says that.
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If you take your head out of your ass for a second, you should be able to easily drop the "peace" part of the title, then continue your argument..
http://nobelprize.org/medicine/nomination/nominators.html
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146312] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 21:05 |
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Bad msgtpain... citing your sources and doing your own research.
I'm the bawss.
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146321] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 22:07 |
msgtpain
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I'm sorry, next time I'll consult with my dad instead..
No wait, he knows that you can nominate people for a nobel prize too...
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| Schiavo Situation [message #146331] |
Mon, 28 March 2005 22:45 |
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Hydra
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Msgtpain, quit being so blind to Republican propaganda; don't you know that nobelprize.org is owned by Rupert Murdoch and is therefore filled with conservative bias?
That's why I have just ordered the new Nobelprize.org Blocker.
Walter Keith Koester: September 22, 1962 - March 15, 2005
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