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| How did this get passed? [message #146797] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 21:29   |
msgtpain
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| SuperFlyingEngi |
what about the direct link between concentration camps and American interrogation centers like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib? Instead of Jews, we're persecuting Arabs. Hitler never had any concentration camps in Germany, they were in Poland. And with good reason, just like now.
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You attempt to write so eloquently, providing speeches with large words and filled with information to back up your beliefs.. Only problem is, the bullshit seeps through the paragraphs..
Lets start with a small list:
Bergen-Belsen
Neuengamme
Ravensbruck
Sachsenhausen
Dora-Mittelbau
Buchenwald
Flossenburg
Dachau
Wiesterbork
Natzweiler
Mauthausen
Theresienstadt
Sered
Janowska
Koldichevo
There's a list of 15 concentration camps, none of which are in Poland.. but 9 which are in Germany..
So, what was your point again? I'll tell you mine: People just might take you more serious, if you presented valid, truthful information instead of the biased, unresearched opinions you always do.
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| How did this get passed? [message #146802] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 21:44 |
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cheesesoda
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| IRON FART |
To those people who still do not believe in evolution:
Get with the program.
I find it funny that in this day and age, people cling on to what the bible says and interpret it so literally that any possibility of evolution is considered rubbish.
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I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. I definetely believe in Natural Selection and the idea that organisms adapt to their environment, and whenever they're taken out of their natural environment, they adapt to the new environment, at least, to the best of their abilities. Christians that dismiss the idea of evolution are nothing but idiots. I'm sorry, but you can't look at history and not see any change among living organisms over the course of even 200 years.
whoa.
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| How did this get passed? [message #146806] |
Wed, 30 March 2005 22:06 |
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IRON FART
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I agree.. my legs grew just so they could reach the pedals in my car.
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I know you're just joking, but your legs would grow to the same length wether you had a car or not to accommodate.
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| How did this get passed? [message #146825] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 04:29 |
Jzinsky
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| SuperFlyingEngi |
Hitler never had any concentration camps in Germany, they were in Poland. And with good reason, just like now.
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So where the hell was Auschwitz?
Also of course we can deny the holocaust and make a few million in the legal process, all we have to do is find someone that was there at the time and then call them senile because it was about 70 years ago. My dad wasn't there, but I'm sure if you told him there wasn't a holocaust he might have something to say in the negative.
Not saying my dad's the authority on this but he was around in ww2 britain
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| How did this get passed? [message #146864] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 09:35 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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| SuperFlyingEngi |
what about the direct link between concentration camps and American interrogation centers like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib? Instead of Jews, we're persecuting Arabs. Hitler never had any concentration camps in Germany, they were in Poland. And with good reason, just like now.
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You attempt to write so eloquently, providing speeches with large words and filled with information to back up your beliefs.. Only problem is, the bullshit seeps through the paragraphs..
Lets start with a small list:
Bergen-Belsen
Neuengamme
Ravensbruck
Sachsenhausen
Dora-Mittelbau
Buchenwald
Flossenburg
Dachau
Wiesterbork
Natzweiler
Mauthausen
Theresienstadt
Sered
Janowska
Koldichevo
There's a list of 15 concentration camps, none of which are in Poland.. but 9 which are in Germany..
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Here's a list of concentration camps: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/major_camps.html
Now, given, the same number of major camps are in both Germany and Poland, but they are not the same kinds of camps. Note how every camp in Germany is a forced labor or holding camp, as opposed to 2/3 of the camps in Poland being "annihalation" camps. The Nazis could only shield their citizens from so much at home, whereas in other countries such as Poland the mass deaths were conducted.
| Jzinsky |
So where the hell was Auschwitz?
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Poland.
You didn't actually believe that I was doubting whether or not the holocaust occured, did you, Jzinsky?
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I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution.
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How does that work?
| msgtpain |
So, what was your point again?
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Gosh, if you addressed my entire post instead of one snippet, you might just know.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| How did this get passed? [message #146935] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 16:34 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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I did, actually. What part of the Theory of Evolution do you not believe in as opposed to non-Theory evolution. I actually wasn't aware that there was a difference.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| How did this get passed? [message #146948] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 16:42 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Ok, I see what you mean now.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| How did this get passed? [message #147019] |
Thu, 31 March 2005 18:11 |
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Jecht
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| j_ball430 |
I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. I definetely believe in Natural Selection and the idea that organisms adapt to their environment, and whenever they're taken out of their natural environment, they adapt to the new environment, at least, to the best of their abilities. Christians that dismiss the idea of evolution are nothing but idiots. I'm sorry, but you can't look at history and not see any change among living organisms over the course of even 200 years.
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I believe exactly the same. Im going to show my gf these posts as she thinks Im condemned to hell by believing in Natural Selection. You just put it in words I wanted to say it in.
Modern proof of this:
AntiBiotics: They are having less and less effect in prison camps in Russia to TB(Tuberculosis) because when they were first given the anit-biotics, the prisoners did not FINISH the antibiotics and thus, more resistant bacterium were born from those pathogens that survived.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_09.html
(be sure to view the video there as well for more info)
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| How did this get passed? [message #147443] |
Sat, 02 April 2005 20:13 |
Jzinsky
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| Jzinsky |
So where the hell was Auschwitz?
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Poland.
You didn't actually believe that I was doubting whether or not the holocaust occured, did you, Jzinsky?
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No, but I did think Auschwitz was in Germany, and no I never bothered to look it up, my bad. My point is that most of the more recent history is very well documented. I think if this gets to court then the pupil is going to have to learn the subject inside out in order to make a case, thus negating the point of the subject not being taught.
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| How did this get passed? [message #147488] |
Sun, 03 April 2005 04:33 |
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Why, yes, it would be hard to have modern conservatives, if "neocons" followed traditional political concepts and values at all. The majority of the Republicans in the last 15-20 years are conservative by name only. Hence neocon.
Just so you know, fascism was really started by Benito Mussolini, with the creation of the Fascist Party in 1919, which Hitler then copied. Mussolini was a socialist as well, but the point is irrelevant. While fascist nations may be founded on liberal ideas of progress, they don't hesitate to recognize themselves as anti-liberal. Fascists before World War II in Italy and Germany were undoubtedly anti-Communist.
If anything, neocons are trying to develop fascism in America. Let's go over a definition...
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Lets not, because Hitler was a liberal by today's definition of the word and he espoused liberal idealogy. His regime was almost identical to commuism, and I know many people just like you would have been singing his praise today had he kept Europe.
It doesn't matter if they were anti-communist because they had the SAME BELIEFS. The same worker's paradise, the same social programs, the same system of denying your rights in the interest of the common good.
Just like you would have others do to this nation. STFU you fucking retard.
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| How did this get passed? [message #148328] |
Thu, 07 April 2005 13:52 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Lets not, because Hitler was a liberal by today's definition of the word and he espoused liberal idealogy. His regime was almost identical to commuism, and I know many people just like you would have been singing his praise today had he kept Europe.
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[a] So what? He believed in progressive policy.
[b] No, I really wouldn't be supporting Hitler if he were in office today and carrying out atrocities. Although, before Hitler went nuts and started killing non-Aryans, the entire world believed he was going to be one of the greatest leaders Germany had ever had. Somewhere between 1929 and 1935, I think, Hitler was Time's Man of the Year. If Hitler hadn't been a loon, he could have been one of the more positively distinguished leaders of the 20th Century.
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It doesn't matter if they were anti-communist because they had the SAME BELIEFS. The same worker's paradise, the same social programs, the same system of denying your rights in the interest of the common good.
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But it does matter that they were anti-communist. That's the point I was making. The current neo-conservatives are radically anti-liberal, but they don't exactly follow conservative policies. Just like fascism. The only area they retain "traditional" values is in things such as condemning homos and bombing abortion clinics.
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Just like you would have others do to this nation. STFU you fucking retard.
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I thought I had you in the crushing grip of inevitable reason, until I read this line. I have now realized I must yield to your strong, uninformed opinions and rude, childish behavior.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| How did this get passed? [message #148497] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 13:24 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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You realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with the point you're trying to make besides the first sentence, correct?
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Only partially. It means something else, which I bet ACK will get, despite you obviously missing it.
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What does Nazism and Fascism have to do with not teaching in schools?
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One of the main points of fascism is suppressing opinions not endorsed by the "system," if you will. In this case the system being the neocon agenda.
One could potentially glean that from reading the thread.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
The Liberal Media At Work
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| How did this get passed? [message #148526] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 15:32 |
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IRON FART
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| j_ball430 |
I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. I definetely believe in Natural Selection and the idea that organisms adapt to their environment, and whenever they're taken out of their natural environment, they adapt to the new environment, at least, to the best of their abilities. Christians that dismiss the idea of evolution are nothing but idiots. I'm sorry, but you can't look at history and not see any change among living organisms over the course of even 200 years.
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I believe exactly the same. Im going to show my gf these posts as she thinks Im condemned to hell by believing in Natural Selection. You just put it in words I wanted to say it in.
Modern proof of this:
AntiBiotics: They are having less and less effect in prison camps in Russia to TB(Tuberculosis) because when they were first given the anit-biotics, the prisoners did not FINISH the antibiotics and thus, more resistant bacterium were born from those pathogens that survived.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_09.html
(be sure to view the video there as well for more info)
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Bacteria only need to survive antibiotics like that once to build up a resistance. Once they have a resistance, any bacteria that form from them will have that resistance, and any bacteria so much as touching the resistant bacteria will become resistant. This story applies to malaria drugs in Africa. People are so afraid of getting malaria, that they take the drugs, even on false alarms, and build a resistance.
America is not a christian country, so kids shouldn't be taught like it is one. Schools should not hang on to old religious value as a basis not to teach evolution or make up the lame excuse that people are offended by it because of their religion.
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| How did this get passed? [message #148544] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 18:17 |
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SuperFlyingEngi
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Bacteria only need to survive antibiotics like that once to build up a resistance. Once they have a resistance, any bacteria that form from them will have that resistance, and any bacteria so much as touching the resistant bacteria will become resistant. This story applies to malaria drugs in Africa. People are so afraid of getting malaria, that they take the drugs, even on false alarms, and build a resistance.
America is not a christian country, so kids shouldn't be taught like it is one. Schools should not hang on to old religious value as a basis not to teach evolution or make up the lame excuse that people are offended by it because of their religion.
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Isn't malaria caused by a dinoflagellate protist? I thought antibiotics didn't work on those. Or are you saying that the people think it might work, and thus try to use it.
My thoughts on religion in schools:
I believe schools should teach the major topics of important world religions like Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Because religion has, throughout history, been a major factor in shaping the world. Doitle, I really don't believe that you've never been taught anything of Christianity in school. I've had 2 or something less years of schooling than you have, and I have been taught the major points of Christianity, along with Hindusim, Buddhism, Daoism, Shintoism, Judaism, Islam, and a couple others.
"To announce that there must be no criticism of the President, or that we are to stand by the President, right or wrong, is not only unpatriotic and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public." -- Theodore Roosevelt (1918)
"The danger to political dissent is acute where the Government attempts to act under so vague a concept as the power to protect "domestic security." Given the difficulty of defining the domestic security interest, the danger of abuse in acting to protect that interest becomes apparent. --U.S. Supreme Court decision (407 U.S. 297 (1972)
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| How did this get passed? [message #148546] |
Fri, 08 April 2005 18:56 |
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IRON FART
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Isn't malaria caused by a dinoflagellate protist? I thought antibiotics didn't work on those. Or are you saying that the people think it might work, and thus try to use it.
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No, I mean humans build a tolerance to it. You are right you don't take antibiotics for malaria. But the fact that humans can build a tolerance is an example of microevolution (well... it's a part of microevolution).
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