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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #139284]

Fri, 18 February 2005 22:48

Jecht
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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #139312]

Sat, 19 February 2005 05:29

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Yeah, I attended an official Protest Warrior demonstration on the grounds on Arizona State University during the third presidential debate. It was amazing to be confronted with the stupidity of liberals first hand. The experience as a whole is something I will never forget.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #139939]

Tue, 22 February 2005 06:51

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Bush has the IQ of a squashed Fruit Fly,
id be making up quotes to get rid of the moron as well if i lived there.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #139943]

Tue, 22 February 2005 07:18

Jecht
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Bush is not the demented bumbling retard your press probably makes him out to be.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #139950]

Tue, 22 February 2005 08:10

Fabian
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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism, bitches.

There, now you can quote me instead of Jefferson. So many sources quote Jefferson as saying that, I think it would be more meaningful if you guys doubting its validity DISproved that he said it, rather than WE prove it.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140026]

Tue, 22 February 2005 16:25

Crimson
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I would think the burden of proof would be on the ones claiming the quote. That's like me making you prove that I didn't say "banana goat cheese" to my brother yesterday.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140289]

Wed, 23 February 2005 21:41

Fabian
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Almost, except not at all.

How can I research what your brother said? You CAN, however, research the quote. And since COUNTLESS sources use it, the burden of proof lies with those who doubt it.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140292]

Wed, 23 February 2005 21:56

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Crimson

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140293]

Wed, 23 February 2005 21:57

msgtpain
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My proof was posted at the very beginning, go ahead.. scroll back up and look.. The quote does NOT exist in any single Jefferson digital archive. It exists in 1000's of signature lines from 1000's of Internet forum posters and liberal fan-boys. Not a SINGLE one of them cites it, other than -Thomas Jefferson.

I can not find something that doesn't exist, can you?

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140295]

Wed, 23 February 2005 22:18

Jecht
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If it existed it would be in some official archive also, as pain stated as well.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140298]

Wed, 23 February 2005 22:22

Fabian
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Hold the phones...

http://urbanlegends.about.com/b/a/146858.htm

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Misattributed: 'Dissent Is the Highest Form of Patriotism'
Google the phrase "Dissent is the highest form of patriotism" along with the name "Thomas Jefferson" and you will find thousands of Web pages attributing the sentiment to the third president of the United States. The trouble is, says reader Dave Forsmark, who has been waging a one-man campaign to correct what he believes to be a blatant misattribution, "the quote is about two years old, not 200. It was made by [historian] Howard Zinn in an interview with TomPaine.com to justify his opposition to the War on Terror." Someone erroneously attributed the quote to Jefferson soon thereafter, and now seemingly everyone is doing it.

I just won your argument for you. Congrats. Only thing is that I don't think this makes a difference to me. I still agree with what Zinn is saying all the way.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140299]

Wed, 23 February 2005 22:42

msgtpain
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Only thing is that I don't think this makes a difference to me. I still agree with what Zinn is saying all the way.

I have no issues with that, as long as you are citing the correct person who's views you agree with:

"I befriended several young Communists, participated in a Communist rally at Times Square carrying a sign, though, I have no memory of what it said. I watched in awe as mounted police charged into the demonstrators, smashing people with their clubs. From that moment on, I was no longer a liberal, a believer in the self-correcting character of American democracy, I was a radical, believing that something fundamental was wrong with this country…something rotten at the root.�? - Howard Zinn

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140303]

Wed, 23 February 2005 23:23

warranto
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Crimson

Since we're in the process of giving quotes from outside the forum...

"There is nothing as sad, pitiful and amusing to watch as someone who is arguing for a reason, good or bad, without knowing why he is arguing about it in the first place."
-Benjamin Metcalfe

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140315]

Thu, 24 February 2005 00:38

Crimson
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I don't know why you quoted my post for that, but whatever.

Regardless of the solution on snopes.com that you found (I do believe they do the best research of any group)... the burden of proof is on anyone who claims the quote is by Jefferson. It should not be MY job to disprove it. How would you react if I put this in my signature:

"Liberalism will be the death of America as we know it."
-Benjamin Franklin

Would you set out to prove he didn't say it, or challenge me to prove he did?

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140335]

Thu, 24 February 2005 06:44

Chronojam
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I'd question why a labeled "liberal leader of America" would say such a thing, and want an explanation. I guess it's the whole "disprove or make irrelevant" kind of thing in this case, not "make them prove it"

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140633]

Fri, 25 February 2005 18:23

warranto
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Crimson: I quoted your post because it dealt more with the topic of my quote. The commentary was there simply to provide an excuse to do it Wink

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140666]

Fri, 25 February 2005 22:17

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Bush is not the demented bumbling retard your press probably makes him out to be.

Our press is your press. Liberals don't have a top secret, underground, propaganda news network.

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Dissent is the highest form of patriotism? [message #140670]

Fri, 25 February 2005 22:40

Jecht
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Your press = ABC, CNN, what have you.

My Press = ABC, Fox, CNN, CBS

I like to get both sides of the story so i listen to basically any news station, but of course I listen to Fox the most as you may have already deciphered from my posts.

So I suppose your right, but most presses display Bush as a bumbling retard straight out of preschool. Hes not, He had a C average at an Ivy league school which isnt bad. And considering all of his accomplishments I think more positive credit needs to be thrown his way.

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