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| mrpirate wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 14:08 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 16:50 |
Sometimes it's nice to be in an altered mental state.
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Does your life suck that much?
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Yeah because I'm going to turn 21 this year and I'm not even engaged to be married yet.
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Don't get married until you're at least 25 (and she is too) or you'll probably end up regretting it.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243601 is a reply to message #238830] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 16:07 |
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crimson, i once again want to state what i posted in my previous reply. that if regulated properly weed isnt going to change anything in the community from what you see it as of right now. i mean you would not let a drunk person work for you so then why let a person that is stoned (high on weed) work for you? but when they go home do you really care if they smoke a joint? or have a beer? but that doesnt mean weed should be illegal it only means it should be controlled. you guys meaning mostly you warranto, dont really take my point for what it is. i am not for letting people run the streets high as a kite, and going to work while drooling from their mouths. all im saying is in the privacy of your home or just after work hours whats so bad about it? and if all the same restrictions are imposed on weed as they are on alcohol then what is the problem? also just out of interest warranto have you ever smoked a joint in your life? if no then all the description that you have provided for weed is from studies and hearing others say it, you really base your opinion on that... not personal experience. and dont get me wrong for some things like cocain, crack, herion etc. i would never try it myself but weed...
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243619 is a reply to message #238830] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 17:05 |
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No, I have never smoked a joint, nor will I ever do that.
The descriptions I've provided were from what I have seen (as in, with my own two eyes) others act like.
As for personal experience, you don't need it when you can make educated guesses.
If you let people have unrestricted access (I don't mean kids getting a hold of it, I mean as with current tobacco and alcohol distribution), it will be abused... regardless of the intent of the law. Before you bring in the failure of the prohibition of alcohol, let me remind you: the only reason that failed was because of how ingrained the consumption of alcohol is on the world's culture. Had it been illegal to begin with (way back when it was first developed), the prohibition of alcohol would have succeeded, if needed at all. This is the same reason people are so reluctant regarding current tobacco laws about its prohibition in public places. It's history is what makes people resistant, not the simple idea itself. The facts of its history, that is.
Without it's current history, I have no doubt that alcohol would be more restricted (it does have direct health-related benefits - ie. small consumption of wine leading to a stronger heart.. or whatever it was), and smoking would never have gotten a foothold.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243623 is a reply to message #243619] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 17:22 |
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Crimson, your claim that marijuana would make people commit acts of violence because they're "too high to consider the consequences" is completely bogus. You can't immediately associate his violence or negligence with being high just because he was high while committing violent acts. Try finding anything reliable on the web that ties violence to marijuana use. If someone committed a crime, he or she should only be prosecuted for that crime (this includes alcohol).
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243628 is a reply to message #243619] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 17:52 |
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| warranto wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 19:05 |
No, I have never smoked a joint, nor will I ever do that.
The descriptions I've provided were from what I have seen (as in, with my own two eyes) others act like.
As for personal experience, you don't need it when you can make educated guesses.
If you let people have unrestricted access (I don't mean kids getting a hold of it, I mean as with current tobacco and alcohol distribution), it will be abused... regardless of the intent of the law. Before you bring in the failure of the prohibition of alcohol, let me remind you: the only reason that failed was because of how ingrained the consumption of alcohol is on the world's culture. Had it been illegal to begin with (way back when it was first developed), the prohibition of alcohol would have succeeded, if needed at all. This is the same reason people are so reluctant regarding current tobacco laws about its prohibition in public places. It's history is what makes people resistant, not the simple idea itself. The facts of its history, that is.
Without it's current history, I have no doubt that alcohol would be more restricted (it does have direct health-related benefits - ie. small consumption of wine leading to a stronger heart.. or whatever it was), and smoking would never have gotten a foothold.
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So you're basically trying to say that using marijuana is relatively new, correct?
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marijuana was probably first used as an intoxicant in India around 1000 B.C., and soon became an integral part of Hindu culture (Snyder, 1970: 125).
In China, where the marijuana plant had been used to make cloth and certain medicines for centuries, it was not recorded as an intoxicant. Explanations are unclear as to why marijuana was used as an intoxicant in India but not in China.
Marijuana was also used as an intoxicant in other parts of the world prior to 500 A.D. but was not as well documented as the use of opium.
The drug "nepenthe" in Homer's Odyssey is believed by a number of scholars to have been a brew in which the most active ingredient was hemp (Brotteaux, 1967: 10).
Galen wrote in the second century that it was customary to promote hilarity and happiness at banquets by giving the guests hemp (Reininger, 1967: 14-15).
Cannabis is used in three different preparations in India (Snyder, 1970: 27). The first is called Bhang, comparable in potency to marijuana in the United States.
It is made from the leaves and stems of uncultivated plants and blended into a pleasant tasting liquid concoction.
The second is Ganja, more potent than Bhang, made from the tops of cultivated plants.
The third and most potent preparation, charas, is similar to hashish or "hash" and is obtained by scraping the resin from the leaves of the cultivated plants. Hard blocks are pressed from this material which are converted for smoking.
High-caste Hindus are not permitted to use alcohol. But they are allowed Bhang at religious ceremonials, and also employ it as an intoxicant at marriage ceremonies and family festivals.
Bhang is used by laborers in India in much the same way as beer is used in the United States (Barber, 1970: 80).
The lower classes of India use either a few pulls at a Ganja pipe or sip a glass of Bhang at the end of the day to relieve fatigue (Grinspoon, 1971: 173), to obtain a sense of well-being, to stimulate appetite, and to enable them to bear more cheerfully the "strain and monotony of . . . daily routines" (Geller and Boas, 1969: 5).
These types of users and objectives are frequently the reverse of those in the United States where marijuana users consider themselves an exclusive and advanced "in-group" (Andrews and Vinkenoog, 1967: iii). A major intoxicant use in India is for religious purposes.
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That would say otherwise. Oh, and Wikipedia, too...
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Biologists generally agree that the cannabis plant first grew somewhere in the Himalayas.[citation needed] Evidence of the smoking of cannabis can be found as far back as the Neolithic age, where charred hemp seeds were found in a ritual brazier at a burial site in present day Romania.[2] The most famous users of cannabis were the ancient Hindus. It was called ganjika in Sanskrit (ganja in modern Indian languages, named for the Ganges river [3]).[4] The ancient drug soma, mentioned in the Vedas as a sacred intoxicating hallucinogen, was sometimes associated with cannabis.[5]
The citizens of the Persian Empire would partake in the ceremonial burning of massive cannabis bonfires, directly exposing themselves and neighboring tribes to the billowing fumes, often for over 24 hours.[6][7]
Cannabis was also well known to the Assyrians, who discovered it from the Aryans. Using it in some religious ceremonies, they called it qunubu, or the drug for sadness. Also introduced by the Aryans, the Scythians as well as the Thracians/Dacians used it, whose shamans (the kapnobatai - "those who walk on smoke/clouds") burned cannabis flowers in order to induce trances. The cult of Dionysus, which is believed to have originated in Thrace, is also believed to have inhaled cannabis smoke.
In 2006, dried cannabis leaves were found with a 2,800 year old mummy of a shaman in Xinjiang, China.[8]
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whoa.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243651 is a reply to message #243628] |
Mon, 05 February 2007 19:52 |
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| j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 19:52 |
In 2006, dried cannabis leaves were found with a 2,800 year old mummy of a shaman in Xinjiang, China.[8]
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Ancient weed, wonder how'd that would smoke. lol
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243655 is a reply to message #238830] |
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So you're basically trying to say that using marijuana is relatively new, correct?
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Nice try. No where did I even suggest that.
I can only assume you are talking about this statement:
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the only reason that failed was because of how ingrained the consumption of alcohol is on the world's culture.
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Even you should be able to see that it was not a major commodity, and only used in isolated areas. Unlike say... tobacco (which was brought back from North America and became prevalent) and alcohol (which, despite it's 9000 year history, became THE drink of pleasure.)
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243686 is a reply to message #243623] |
Tue, 06 February 2007 00:22 |
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| mjfabian wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 17:22 |
Crimson, your claim that marijuana would make people commit acts of violence because they're "too high to consider the consequences" is completely bogus. You can't immediately associate his violence or negligence with being high just because he was high while committing violent acts. Try finding anything reliable on the web that ties violence to marijuana use. If someone committed a crime, he or she should only be prosecuted for that crime (this includes alcohol).
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I didn't claim that... you must be smoking crack. Once again, he was suicidal and drunk which led to violence. The weed just helped the alcohol to make sure he didn't think twice about what could happen if he pulled the trigger, and he went for it and ended a woman's life and left two kids without their mother.
Personally, I'm not stupid enough to put weed, cigarettes, or alcohol into my body (I do have, on average, the equivalent of 6-8 drinks in a year and I do not drive for at least an hour, even after 1 drink.)
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243746 is a reply to message #243686] |
Tue, 06 February 2007 08:43 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 06 February 2007 02:22 |
The weed just helped the alcohol to make sure he didn't think twice about what could happen if he pulled the trigger, and he went for it and ended a woman's life and left two kids without their mother.
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No. It. Didn't. You're wrong. You're making that assumption from your own false ideas about marijuana and what marijuana does to the human body. Seeing how you've never smoked, I hardly think you're in the position to make that logical leap.
If the marijuana did anything, it just made it harder for him to aim.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #243763 is a reply to message #243753] |
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| warranto wrote on Tue, 06 February 2007 11:02 |
Ah yes... the old "If you haven't tried it, you can't argue against it" idea.
I don't think there has there ever been a more hypocritical and weak argument developed.
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Because, as we all know, medicines, toxins, and pleasures all affect the human body the same in any person. There is no differentiation between individuals, at all.
Oh, and pigs can fly, too.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #244164 is a reply to message #238830] |
Thu, 08 February 2007 07:55 |
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See what pot smoking makes you do 
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BRATTLEBORO, Vt., Feb. 8, 2007
(AP) Blame global warming. An Albany, N.Y., man is accused of riding nude in a gondola at Stratton Mountain Resort on Dec. 15. William N. Barrett III, 46, pleaded not guilty to felony lewd and lascivious conduct and misdemeanor marijuana possession Tuesday in Vermont District Court.
A witness reported to lift attendants that Barrett was nude and touching himself inappropriately while riding the lift.
Barrett, who was fully clothed when he reached the bottom of the hill, denied being nude. He told police he had taken off his jacket and shirt because of the nice weather.
He also was charged with marijuana possession. Police found a glass pipe and film canister containing marijuana in his pocket when they arrested him, authorities said.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #244293 is a reply to message #238830] |
Thu, 08 February 2007 16:53 |
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You really do need to try it before you can really say anything like that.
I was scared as hell the first time before I smoked, I was so worried something bad would happen. Did anything happen? no. I've been smoking everyday since then.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #244301 is a reply to message #244293] |
Thu, 08 February 2007 17:23 |
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| AmunRa wrote on Thu, 08 February 2007 17:53 |
You really do need to try it before you can really say anything like that.
I was scared as hell the first time before I smoked, I was so worried something bad would happen. Did anything happen? no. I've been smoking everyday since then.
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Smoking everyday since then IS a bad thing.
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| Re: Marijuana [message #244307 is a reply to message #238830] |
Thu, 08 February 2007 17:57 |
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yeah man you got to keep it in check. i didnt really start up with it till about a year after i tried it for the first time.
and then took a few month breaks. and generally smoke about a joint a day or a joint every 2 days
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| Re: Marijuana [message #244702 is a reply to message #244293] |
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| AmunRa wrote on Thu, 08 February 2007 17:53 |
You really do need to try it before you can really say anything like that.
I was scared as hell the first time before I smoked, I was so worried something bad would happen. Did anything happen? no. I've been smoking everyday since then.
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But how many fags a day had you smoked before trying weed?
Were you a nicotine junkie prior to having a joint?
How many a day were you smoking, truthfully?
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| Re: Marijuana [message #244759 is a reply to message #243686] |
Sat, 10 February 2007 20:41 |
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| Crimson wrote on Tue, 06 February 2007 01:22 |
| mjfabian wrote on Mon, 05 February 2007 17:22 |
Crimson, your claim that marijuana would make people commit acts of violence because they're "too high to consider the consequences" is completely bogus. You can't immediately associate his violence or negligence with being high just because he was high while committing violent acts. Try finding anything reliable on the web that ties violence to marijuana use. If someone committed a crime, he or she should only be prosecuted for that crime (this includes alcohol).
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I didn't claim that... you must be smoking crack. Once again, he was suicidal and drunk which led to violence. The weed just helped the alcohol to make sure he didn't think twice about what could happen if he pulled the trigger, and he went for it and ended a woman's life and left two kids without their mother.
Personally, I'm not stupid enough to put weed, cigarettes, or alcohol into my body (I do have, on average, the equivalent of 6-8 drinks in a year and I do not drive for at least an hour, even after 1 drink.)
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No one seems to have picked on the area I highlighted. You see delta-9-tetrahydracanibinol (THC the chemical in weed responsible for you getting high) actually does the exact opposite. Even with alcohol. In fact probably even more so with alcohol [not including unique cases].
You don't smoke weed if you're going to off yourself. You see after you've toked up. You'll then realize how horrific death is and the last thing you'll want to do is go through with it. And since alcohol generally tends to amplify whatever emotion you're feeling at the time [minus being overly bold when you should be more discreet] it should have further made him realize this. He was obviously too far gone an alcoholic or wasn't quite ticking over mentally. Or alternatively he'd built up too much of a tolerance to the stuff and wasn't actually stoned when he done it.
If anything you could say the weed would have delayed his suicide for maybe months.
But yeah Crimson. Some people would rather get stoned and do house hold chores, homework or their job. And they aren't drooling going "MAAAN IM SO FRIED, MY HAND LOOKS SO COOL. I CANT EVEN BE BOTHERED DOING ANY WORK MAN. HELL YEAH 420 SKMOE DEEEEW EVERY DAY MAAAAAAN!!!" they are actually thinking "right, better get this assignment out the way because I'm more driven out of fear of losing my job now than I am sober when I'd be more bored doing this assignment." Yep, stoners ARE DROOLING FUCKING RETARDS THAT JUST DONT CARE ABOUT ANYTHING.
Of course who cares to even bother researching cannabis before jumping on the "FUCK FUCK IT MAKES YOU LAZY AND YOU MAKES DONT CARE FUCK FUCK OH GOD IT MAKES YOU LAZY AND TURNS YOU INTO A ZOMBIE.. HURRRRRRRR. WE ARE UPSTANDING CONSERVATIVES AND WE'LL BE FUCKED IF WE RESEARCH DRUGS. HURF HURF DURRRRRRRRR" bandwagon.
this is more common than the self-diagnosis of asperger's in the goon population how is it obsCURE FUCKKK
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