| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238435 is a reply to message #238430] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 14:07   |
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| Crimson wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 15:48 |
Heck, I know of at least 1 server (xphaze) that is RUN by a proven cheater.
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lol, mrchance1(tho that was easy  + everyone knew about him anyways), yonegga, jschultz, who should I catch next? :\
I just wish people weren't fucking retarded enough to cheat in the first place. I don't see the point in playing this game if you're going to cheat, you're just saying that you either suck bad enough and have such low self esteem that you use cheats to make yourself look better, or you just enjoy ruining other people's fun.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238436 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 14:08 |
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Hahaha nerds still slitting their wrists over my 30 minutes of cheating on CRlMSON...it was a prank, get over it.
Oh and flooded, you've got no clue about clanwars. After playing this game for so long you should've realized that you lack the wit to figure it out by now, so stop acting like you're part of something you're not. Why dodge me and Wrs 1v1? You've never played against any top people and were talking cocky about your skill...you completely suck ass, me and Kill will even 2v3 you and two of your fellow retards anytime and win. That's how bad you are...sad.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238440 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 14:14 |
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@EWD: Speaking of derailing topics...
JohnDoe: The players in the games you ruined probably did not share your idea that is was fun. It was disgraceful, immature, and pointless.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238447 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 14:27 |
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Do you know what happened when some cheater joined the cw.cc public server? The cw players rejoined with cheats loaded themselves and were laughing at the crazyness. If you're going to jump out of the window with the mouse cord around your neck because someone with kamikaze ruined your ladderpoints, you need to catch some fresh air...reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeal quick.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238451 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 14:37 |
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You're in the Hot Topics forum, what do you expect? This forum has been this way since it was started by Westwood over 5 years ago. At least we have a place where it's all supposed to happen.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238456 is a reply to message #238453] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 14:42 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 14:40 |
Someone of the guys playing obviously had them stored and sent them around on MSN...I'm sure someone in your community has cheats stored somewhere as well.
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RenGuard wouldn't work if we didn't have a database of cheat files to compare against. But we don't load them up when a cheater joins a game... we ban them.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238461 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 15:03 |
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You bunch aren't very bright at all, are you? I'll use numbering this time, maybe it'll help.
1. Generally, CW players think of public servers gaming as something that isn't even remotely challenging, so in return it's nothing to get worked up about.
2. Now if someone decides to jump in their game with bigheads and can't be kicked, the CW players won't let that irritate them and fuck around themselves instead of wasting their energy by scanning through IRC channels to find a mod, taking videos and screenshots to post on forums, writing n00bstories or some other geek shit.
That's all there is to it, there's nothing to interpret, so I guess Warranto can go back to his usual hermit life.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238470 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 15:20 |
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Boredom? It's not like you'll see me and others joining publics every day...think the last time I joined one was like two weeks ago when I got banned from there for "team hampering" since I was driving around on top of the base entrance on Walls/Fly with my Hummer the entire game and still managed to be in 3rd place...that's just another exemple of how serious public server nerds take this stuff in comparison to us.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238473 is a reply to message #238470] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 15:27 |
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| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 23:20 |
Boredom? It's not like you'll see me and others joining publics every day...think the last time I joined one was like two weeks ago when I got banned from there for "team hampering" since I was driving around on top of the base entrance on Walls/Fly with my Hummer the entire game and still managed to be in 3rd place...that's just another exemple of how serious public server nerds take this stuff in comparison to us.
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Why don't u do that during a CW? I mean: you don't take it serious anyway, do u?
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238491 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 18:05 |
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Some of the people on Clanwars cannot be reasoned with.
They think that they can cheat in public servers, get away with it, then challenge you to a 1v1, and when you refuse to play them its a dodge. Further, if you are within your first month in the league they will assume you are a n00b. It doesn't matter if you lose to them by a point, they'll call you a noob.
This is why they cannot be reasoned with. They see what they want to see, they read what they want to read, and they interpret how they want to interpret. Anyone who reads ANYTHING I wrote on clanwars.cc forums or these forums will see that I NEVER claimed to be the best player and that I think cheating is wrong regardless of cirumstance.
On the topic, I don't care whose solutions are better than the others - a solution is a solution. And I wouldn't expect BHS to support a non-BHS project anyway. They seem to be extremely private in everything that they do and its been this day since before they were formed. I am quite concerned for the community at this point because a very small group of people have found themselves in a position of authority/control that makes me uncomfortable.
I wish that BHS would be a little more open minded on non-BHS projects and a little more realistic on their shortcomings. RG 1.03 completely blows (its so bad that for the very first time ever I find myself refusing to use it). I'm on Win2k with Norton (worst combo possible) and it doesnt even stop most of the cheats. So why use it? I'm VERY greatful for all of the work that has been done, but with the recent BI integration ... the lack of 1.04 ... and all the drama with cw.cc ... I'm really getting irritated. And at the source of all these 'problems' are the decision makers in BHS.
Things need to change and lighten up. And people from ALL communities/clans/sites/etc. need to stop being arrogant and ignorant about some of the issues at hand.
On the topic of an anticheat forum: I'm running it on my forums regardless of what anyone does. Feel free to use it if you so desire. It is for any game.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238523 is a reply to message #238495] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 23:20 |
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| Crimson wrote on Thu, 11 January 2007 02:41 |
Wow... you're sure whistling a different tune... I guess now that I helped you get your a00000004 nickname you have no need for me. Nice to know I was so used.
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So, ppl that you helped aren't allowed to post comments about you? I don't know, but most of it IS true, so might as well try to do something about it instead of reacting this way.
I would also rather see RG1.04 finished that be posting in this topic, and I would also preffer CW.cc and renforums would be able to normally talk to eachother.
Oh, and you said flaming was normal is this subforum, well it might be but, that doesn't mean you can't do anything about it. I mean some posts nearly get to a personal level, and that is just lame.. And saying that it is allowed here does almost suggest that it isn't allowed elsewhere.. So then I personally would like to see that someone does something about it.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238525 is a reply to message #237504] |
Wed, 10 January 2007 23:23 |
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All I'm doing is speaking my mind. And I don't agree with quite a few things. I think I'm allowed my opinion. It's not like I'm completely opposed to BHS or object to you guys. I was just stating my beliefs and that I'm personally unhappy with a few things.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238532 is a reply to message #238473] |
Thu, 11 January 2007 00:40 |
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| Goztow wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 15:27 |
| JohnDoe wrote on Wed, 10 January 2007 23:20 |
Boredom? It's not like you'll see me and others joining publics every day...think the last time I joined one was like two weeks ago when I got banned from there for "team hampering" since I was driving around on top of the base entrance on Walls/Fly with my Hummer the entire game and still managed to be in 3rd place...that's just another exemple of how serious public server nerds take this stuff in comparison to us.
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Why don't u do that during a CW? I mean: you don't take it serious anyway, do u?
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Because clanwars are a challenge? Guess someone will never catch on...oh and Flooded shut up, you were going on about how the skill difference between cw and public players isn't as great as we make it out to be - without ever playing any top players or clans.
Alex, you sound like someone that doesn't get out a lot and scans the entire forum for topics to post in.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238533 is a reply to message #237504] |
Thu, 11 January 2007 00:46 |
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Totally disregarding the flamefest in the rest of the thread...
| fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 06 January 2007 01:41 |
First off, I know for a fact that this is going to stir up quite a bit of arguments -- so I want to point out early in the thread that I am NOT doing this to start problems. I just wanted to bring an issue to light and see how others felt about it.
As many of the folks at clanwars.cc have found out recently:
--Two convicted cheaters are being allowed to return to the league
--Someone who cheated on a public server under Crimson's name is not being banned on clanwars.cc and is instead getting a forum ban for one month
The argument on clanwars.cc was "Do you think this is fair to have convicted cheaters return to the league and do you think that cheating on a public server should earn you a ban in the clanwars.cc Renegade league?". Many people felt that since the two cheaters have done their time, they should be given another chance. They also, for the most part, felt that cheating on public servers isn't a big deal since pub. servers are a joke to them and they could care less about them.
My argument was that I do not think a cheater should ever be unbanned under any circumstance, and that if you cheat on a public server you should be banned in every way/shape/form possible ... including on the clanwars.cc Renegade league. This belief worked up a lot of people on clanwars.cc - but I stand firm to it to this day.
Clanwars.cc players are going to argue: the punishment was fair, they did their time, and life moves on. People screw around on public servers but its not a big deal since its not an official clanwar.
Pub. players are bound to think that is a load of shit.
So what do you guys think? Am I over-reacting or making too big of a fuss over this, or is the Renegade league wrong to be this lenient on convicted cheaters?
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I disagree. If you absolutely never unbanned any cheater, the current playerbase would be significantly smaller. I know of dozens of players that have dabbled in cheats now and then, whether for testing, for payback, or for their own fun at other players' expense. Even with the playerbase issues aside, I still do not think that it would be right to ban someone forever. I believe that an incremental punishment should be effective. As far as public games go... if they can be 100% proven to be abusing cheats, then an hour ban on the first offense, a day ban on the second, a week on the third, a month on the fourth, and an indefinite ban on the fifth.
And I most certainly agree that the punishment should be up to the leadership, and it's up to the leadership to ensure that the punishment is fair. With that in mind, I don't think it matters whether you're in a public game or a private game.
I do not think that you should be banned on separate entities. For example, if you get caught cheating in n00bstories, I don't think you should get banned from n00bless. But again, that's up to the respective leaderships.
As far as tournaments and ladders go, I believe that any 100% proven cheating (public, organized, or other) should immediately and permanently disqualify you from participating. Tournaments and ladders are enough of a royal pain in the ass to play. Throw some cheat accusations (ZOMG EVERYONE STOP WHAT YOU'RE FUCKING DOING AND TAKE A SCREENSHOT!!!) and you can & will change the outcome of the game. I've seen it happen and is one of the bigger reaons that I've stopped playing such games.
Cheating is rampant, yes. Half of the problem is that the Renegade engine *ALLOWS* so much cheating so easily. If BHS had the Renegade source code... well, there's a *LOT* of cheats that could be prevented by just a few tweaks of the engine which are currently extremely hard to do without the source code.
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| Re: Treatment of convicted cheaters [message #238554 is a reply to message #237504] |
Thu, 11 January 2007 05:40 |
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I am locking all Spoony/Crimson ReneDrama-related threads. If you wish to discuss anticheat solutions and whatever else we talked about in this thread, please start a new thread. (Or if someone has already started one, reply to it.)
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To Crimson, I will say this last thing: about everything I've said about you, I sincerely hope you will prove me wrong.
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| Crimson responds: |
It would be a great pleasure to prove you wrong. (And hopefully you take that in the lighthearted way I mean it)
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