As you all know the top of the ladder is dominated by 24-7 players. Lots of people are very good players but can't play 24-7 like them, I was thinking of the best way to solve this problem and base the ladder more on skill than playing 2000 games and I think I found it, here's what I propose, what do you think.

Ladder PTS per game+ PTS per win, formula is (kinda like a skill ratio):

Take ther total current ladder pts and subtract 10,000 (you start with) and divide that by total games played, and divide total pts by wins, add them, and have a minimum of 10 wins before it calculates on ladder.
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This is good for the following reasons:

-Playing a rediculas number of games is no advantage
-This makes you focus on winning more than getting cheap pts and contributing nothing to your team and losing
-Should encourage more teamwork
-Ladder will be about quality and winning rather than mass gaming
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Here's how it will work for example:

Aeonking (current #1 spot) 260 games total (154 wins) played, 36,524 total pts - so 26,524/260 = 102.02 and 26,524/154 = 172.23, 102.02 + 172.33 = 274.35 PTS rating on ladder

Edwardckw (current #10 spot) 306 total games total (162 wins), 23,378 total pts - so 13,378/306 = 43.72, 13,378/162 = 82.58, 43.72 + 82.58 = 125.3 rating on ladder

AzWhoopin (me, current #77 spot) 92 total games (46 wins), 17,580 total pts - so 7,580/92 = 82.39, 7,580/46 = 164.78 = rating 247.17 on ladder

-Notice how that Ed guy is ranked 10, played a ton of games badly and gets a very low rating on my system.
-Aeon gets a high rating because he is a good player and would still be ranked high or #1
-I get a high rating close to the current 1# ranked player even though I played under 100 games

--->So what do you think about this rating system? I personally think it works real well, try posting your info and doing the math to get your rating, or post your info and i'll do the math for you to test it out.
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I know what some people are going to say, what about the people who don't playing 32-40 player games cuz of 56k or whatever?? They arn't on the ladder now either unless they are playing 100 games a day, also most of the good players play in the 28-40 player games and winning MVP in a less than 28 player is not a big deal anyway.

[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Originally posted by eae:
I agree with you. I'd say fifty games would be more like it.

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Well i'd say more likly around 20-25, if 50 I think it would be a few days before the ladder is even turned on, 90\% of people don't play more than 5-10 games a day. I think i play alot and I only average 7 games a day

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Originally posted by Danip:
You miss one thing.
It's fairly easy to boost your win ratio.
Suppose I wanted to boost my wins.
I'd just enter any 2 or 4 player server out there with a very low time setting, 5 minutes or so. I'd either toast them opponents in that time, or ensure a better score.
If you'd boost your wins that way, by playing and winning 99\% of say 100 games in 1 vs 1 or 2 vs 2 matches, then gather up 700+ points on some mass server games, this new point system breaks.
I'd love to see the ladder point system improved, but how would you resolve this part?

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LMAO, how old are you? 2-4 player games yield 3 pts for MVP. Try again..

You can be 1000-0 from 4 player games getting MVP every game and your rating will be close to 0

[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Originally posted by Danip:
Azwhooping, no need to insult me about my age or whatever.

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Yea. What's your problem AzWhoopin? Didn't get enough care as a child?

You than have a total of 330 Pts, now for the rating system..

(330/11 = 45.45) + (330\11 = 45.45) = 90.90

90.90 is your rating... Now whos the dumbass, your above post made no sense, learn how to follow a formula and do math please, you are making a jackass out of yourself. I am a 23 year old computer engineer that went thru 8 diffrent calc and stat courses, I have done math equations that taken over 4 pages and 2 hours to complete. I know what I am doing. SO WHERE'S THE FLAW AGAIN?

BTW-eae or whatever, don't be mad because I (and others) put you in your place on my other tread because you whined about me making 2 of these treads.

If you would like to debate this real time my MSN messanger is MikeA140@hotmail.com

-I bet you don't have the nutz to reply dan

[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Originally posted by AzWhoopin:
don't be mad because I (and others) put you in your place on my other tread

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Excuse me? What's that supposed to mean?

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Originally posted by eae:
Excuse me? What's that supposed to mean?

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Stop cluttering my tread with stupid whining

[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Originally posted by AzWhoopin:
I am a 23 year old computer engineer that went thru 8 diffrent calc and stat courses, I have done math equations that taken over 4 pages and 2 hours to complete. I know what I am doing. SO WHERE'S THE FLAW AGAIN?

[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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You sure sound like a 23 year old computer engineer:

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Originally posted by AzWhoopin:
YOU MUST BE RETARDED! 8 TANKS MAX PER TEAM.. 3-5 MRLS SHOOTING AT HAND, 3-6 ENGYS FIXING HAND.. NOD WILL STILL BE ABLE TO RUSH WITH 8 TANKS!! HOW MANY DEFENDING TANKS WILL GDI BE ABLE TO MAKE? DO THE MATH.. DUMBASS

[ May 12, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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A 50 people server gives the MVP 705 points.
You only need to create a new WOL account, play and become MVP once.
Suppose you get 10 'zero point' loses on 2 vs 2 games on top of that:

now for the rating system:

(705/11 = 64) + (705\1 = 705) = 869.

Your flaw is, that you can blow up this new stats completely by having a single peak hihg point score, and lots of zero score losses.
You'd call this measuerement of averages vs. measurement of mean value.
Your AVERAGE may be very good, but your MEAN value sucks like hell (it would be pretty close to 0 in above case).
Fill in anything in the above example. Maybe get not 705, but anything that would give you more than threehundred ladder points, would make it possible for you to become instant ladder leader.
That is bad.

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Originally posted by Danip:
Here's your flaw, again:

A 50 people server gives the MVP 705 points.
You only need to create a new WOL account, play and become MVP once.
Suppose you get 10 'zero point' loses on 2 vs 2 games on top of that:

now for the rating system:

(705/11 = 64) + (705\1 = 705) = 869.

Your flaw is, that you can blow up this new stats completely by having a single peak hihg point score, and lots of zero score losses.
You'd call this measuerement of averages vs. measurement of mean value.
Your AVERAGE may be very good, but your MEAN value sucks like hell (it would be pretty close to 0 in above case).
Fill in anything in the above example. Maybe get not 705, but anything that would give you more than threehundred ladder points, would make it possible for you to become instant ladder leader.
That is bad.

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First of all, no servers go over 40 players usually, stick to 300 pts on a 40 player server... And Now i notice you changed your story now, now you say 10 zero pt games, but you said 10 MVP games before + a 500 pts game.. Too Bad for that 10-50 win limit we been talking about huh?

You changed your "Flaw story" 3 times now first lots of 2 on 2-5 min games, than 10 2 on 2 MVPs with a 40 player 500 pts win, now its 10 losses w/ 1 705 pt win.. you are too funny

-Still want to challenge it?

[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Originally posted by AzWhoopin:
Stop cluttering my tread with stupid whining

[ May 13, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Btw, your not so high and mighty as you think you are.

Well anyway I think this is a cool system that makes sense but wether its good or not the current ladder system needs to be totally reinvented.

I played a game the other day, my current ranking is about 25,000. I was MVP even though there were lots of players ranked 8,000 or lower, with the best one being 1500. Surely I should get more points for outplaying the "good" players

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Originally posted by AzWhoopin:
Sorry people reading this tread for eae, he don't know any better. PLease ignore his nonsense and don't let him take away from the purpose of this tread.

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Again being so high and mighty, eh?

Hey silentson, I take no offense to what you said about me, I am happy I can say I have a Bach degree and i'm pretty **** smart rather that bragging that I smoke weed or work at McDonalds. But I am diffiniatly not a "dork". If you some how think I am I reccommend visiting my web page from the link below and checking out some pics(pic of me on link on bottom of home page)..

[ May 14, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Originally posted by AzWhoopin:
Wether it changes to this system or any other system the fact remains that it needs to be changed.

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Here's an idea. Either tell this to Westwood personnel or accept the ladder as it is. Don't argue with other players about it.

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Originally posted by AzWhoopin:
Wether it changes to this system or any other system the fact remains that it needs to be changed.

Hey silentson, I take no offense to what you said about me, I am happy I can say I have a Bach degree and i'm pretty **** smart rather that bragging that I smoke weed or work at McDonalds.
[ May 14, 2002: Message edited by: AzWhoopin ]

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Good man azwhoopin if more people had ur attitude (ie confident) then we would have dorks like eae ruining topics