 Tournament Feedback [message #414552] |
Sat, 19 December 2009 15:22  |
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TD
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This was our (TD & Mr.mom) very first attempt on creating a tournament like this for a pretty much "less active" game than the average recent games out there and we knew it was not going to be easy to get a lot of games actually going. We decided to try it anyway early 2009. We came up with a plan to contact several communities and inform them about an upcoming intercommunity tournament and gave them brief details about it to see if they were interested.
It soon turned out that almost all of them actually were interested and wanted to participate. This was a positive thing for us, since we really wanted to give this a try. Something new for Renegade. We started making up the basic rules and stuff and thought of a new playing system: the building points (BP). Now we never tried this before in any other match, so basically it was tested out by YOU guys in the RGCT itself. Apparently it didn't affect most of the games, but there were at least two matches in which the winner got determined by most BP. So mid 2009 we got the communities ready and arranged other stuff like renegade servers for the the tournament.
We felt like we were ready to tell the public! A few more communities got interested and joined the party and we had 11 teams ready to rumble. Finally, the moment we've been waiting for CAME and the tournament started. The first round was by the way very nice, most, if not, all games got played. We saw our idea of early 2009 happening and it turned out to be an interesting tournament. Sure there were some times where some matches didn't get played and we had to extend deadlines and other stuff. Then there were RL stuff going on that could have affected the RGCT, but both Mr.Mom and I tried our best to complete what we started.
Now I would like to ask you guys for some "SERIOUS" feedback on our job as tournament organizers of the RGCT. What did we do GOOD, and what could have been done better. Should there be another RGCT-alike tournament soon, the other organizers will hopefully find these feedback useful, but especially Mr.Mom and I.
Again, I'd like to ask you guys to stay serious here. Thank you all, everyone who participated and helped us getting this tournament done. 
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414563 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sat, 19 December 2009 17:09  |
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luv2pb
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Off the top of my head.
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There was a serious lack of orginization. The rules were not clear and even less enforced. Mr. Mom did not follow through at all. There were major break downs in communication for the support of the tourny. Fobby was involved. The event deteriated as time went on.
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You guys actually got it done. It seemed like those who were involved had fun. The sponsor is win. Faildus lost. Any activity done by members of the community is always winrar.
If you do it again (and I hope you do) down the round get your shit together and follow through.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414575 is a reply to message #414570] |
Sat, 19 December 2009 17:53 |
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| Chew wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 18:35 |
| luv2pb wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 18:29 |
| Chew wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 18:24 |
Wow... seriously luv2pb... you don't miss a single oppurtunity to brag about NS or bash Exodus make yourself look like a total flaming douchebag asshole... 
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Good job, I'm sure TD will appreciate the feedback you provided! Which one of us has the butthurt here?
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Not butthurt at all actually... so you can stop saying that it is starting to get rather old. It seems you are truly the one with the sore ass as you find every possible way to bring the shit up.
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yeah i feel like luv2pb is a really weird kid. wtf is a faildus? no trying to make your own cool words please, leave it to TD.
i liked the community wars they were fun, i didnt like that everytime our match was coming up, 2 days before it happens our site gets DDos and we're left with 1/4 our members actually showing, excluding our match with SoQ where it got DDos but we still ended up getting 8? people that were on the roster orignally. nothing anyone could do though.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414580 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sat, 19 December 2009 18:56 |
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My biggest complaints are these: The rounds getting pushed back because important rules were not put in place until a few rounds in (for example, the rule about 5 ppl showing up or forfeit). Also, the building point system was just fkin stupid. I didn't think it would affect any games until we lost that round to NE. Lastly, the tourney organizers were often difficult to get in contact with when there were issues I needed to raise with them (server down, rule clarification, etc).
On the plus side, this was a fantastic idea that really pumped life back into some communities and the ren community as a whole, so a big thanks to MrMom and TD. 
Lastly, Luv, gtfo...wow.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414600 is a reply to message #414563] |
Sat, 19 December 2009 23:08 |
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I think Renegade really needed this, and it was a blast. Surprisingly a lot of communities got involved, with top notch teams. It's good to play some classic, bigger styled clanwars for a change, instead of just the 2v2 and 3v3 games I've been having for the past two years. I do agree that the rules should have been changed just a little bit - I think any team that wins both games should win the match, regardless of building kills or total points. That's my only complaint.
Thanks to the organizers for all of this. How about this becomes an annual thing?
| luv2pb wrote on Sat, 19 December 2009 19:09 |
Off the top of my head.
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There was a serious lack of orginization. The rules were not clear and even less enforced. Mr. Mom did not follow through at all. There were major break downs in communication for the support of the tourny. Fobby was involved. The event deteriated as time went
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Tell me, what exactly was I involved in, other than playing on a team?
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414611 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 02:16 |
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Plus:
It went on to the end
A lot of interest of the communities and new contacts, new life in the community
The way brackets were done was good: everyone got to play at least 2 games
The fact u did it on renforums
The followup by the organizers: I thought this went quite well. TD took over perfectly after Mr. Mom had to go awol
The fact people could only play for one community was a big plus
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Rules about forfeiting and the likes should be clear at the very start next time. However, I completely aknowledge that you couldn't have really known before this tourney took place
10 players is too much for any community bar Jelly to bring together. The system with minimum 5 maximum 10 was ok.
Took too long to finish due to extra delays
No euro server (I know you planned to get one but asking for rdp to install an own personal bot seemed a bit of overkill to me)
Building points lead to gameover once one team got a building cause they could then camp it out on all game time left.
A lot of trouble to bring a team together to only play 1 map twice. Usually we aim to do more maps in a community match because it's so hard to get a lot of people online at the same time.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414616 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 03:00 |
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I really only had a part in the initial organisation for Atomix, so I haven't got that much to say as I believe most of the problems we encountered were during the later matches.
That said, something I thought you both did quite well was to give yourselves and the communities involved plenty of time to try and organise the tournament as a whole. You contacted us early, first just to see if there was any interest, and then made later contact with the intention of getting the matches underway about a month (?) after that. That gave us plenty of time to organise our own communities, and become familiar with the rules you had in place. Like has already been mentioned, perhaps clarifying some of the rules regarding forfeit/rostering would have helped avoid some issues.
Thanks guys, I know Atomix had fun participating in the matches.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414624 is a reply to message #414563] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 03:33 |
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| luv2pb wrote on Sun, 20 December 2009 01:09 |
You guys actually got it done. It seemed like those who were involved had fun. The sponsor is win. Faildus lost. Any activity done by members of the community is always winrar..
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Just a question, why the hell are YOU attempting to turn this into another NS vs. Exodus thread? This is a thread about feedback for the RGCT, not about NS/Exodus.
I could also easily brag about the fact that we could get a team going and you guys couldn't, even though we lost, we did participate. And you'll be proud and happy for giving away prize money because you couldn't get a team going, but when someone who is awarded the money then uses it for something different than you wanted or expected you'll start second guessing him in public.
I will also defend our team here because detharmy, who organized our team back then, went missing without notifying anyone. Right now TIESTO and FlaminGnz are handling it and they're doing a pretty good job at it.
You are just bashing at us for no reason. You're taking every opportunity you can get to just start another NS/Exo thread.. Now who is being butthurt?
Now, to stay on topic:
+: It finished.
+: Good communication.
+: Clear bracket
-: Winning Conditions should just be normal again. It was good for a tryout though.
-: Only one map per round.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414663 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 07:37 |
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If we are having one next year, i recommend starting the rounds early in the summer so we can do the entire tournament in the summer when people are more active.
I'm looking forward to the next one.
Lol @ Luvpb, you sad kid.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414703 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 11:13 |
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First of I would love to applaud TD for the awesome job on taking over the tournament while I was dealing with RL issues.
Secondly thank you all for the feedback. It helps a lot for the future if there ever was to be another RGCT.
In the beginning when we were organizing this we talked about how it would be better for a summer tournament, but it was too late to start for summer so we decided to go with winter. We tried our best to set up the tournament and forsee any problems or complications. All the communities did a great job communicating with us and each other to make this tournament a success.
If we did a RGCT 2 I can tell you now it would be planned for the summer and would a lot of changes that would benefit the tournament.
I apologize to all for my absence in the middle of the tournament, but once again thank you TD for the great job, thank you community leaders and players, thank you sponsors, and thank you to all who contributed to the tournament.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414712 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 12:01 |
Tiesto
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It'll be nice if we could do another. I'd help in anyway possible to make another one possible.
Maybe more people to share the load? As Mom & TD got abit overloaded at times..
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414723 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 13:09 |
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we need to find other sponsors
bigger cash prizes = more interest = goog tournament = cw.cc pwn world
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414766 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 18:00 |
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it would be better to do a world cup style league so they can organise times for the games themselves, BP sucks and it should be 5 maps because its more fun than playing field twice in a row.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414767 is a reply to message #414766] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 18:08 |
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| ELiT3FLyR wrote on Mon, 21 December 2009 02:00 |
it would be better to do a world cup style league so they can organise times for the games themselves
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That is a good idea...
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414792 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 22:08 |
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I love the smell of desperation in the winter.
I said nothing wrong and was actually very constructive. The fact that some don't like me and are jealous doesn't change that. It is no more wrong for me to be glad faildus lost in this tourney than it is for me to be glad I just watched the Vikings get killed in the NFL. If it makes you feel better I'm happy CW won! The fact that we didn't participate means nothing. We have since participated in 3 community matches and actually had the players to back it up - unlike some. You guys made this about ns/faildus not me. I only indirectly mentioned NS by way of the sponsor which I would have done no matter who it was. Don't lash out at me to compensate for your own fails. It is you kids who act out.
I actually think the one map thing was good. It was quick and to the point. Bring your A game or go home. Besides, everyone got two chances. To build on what I said originally (you know the thing everyone ignored so they could e-rage) the matches should have a very narrow window to be held and the player counts should have a narrow window as well. Both need to be strictly enforced. I also agree strongly with Goz that only allowing people to play for one team was VERY good. I would say that with something like this timing is everything. You don't want to do it again to soon.
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414795 is a reply to message #414552] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 22:33 |
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The tourney was a great idea and a huge feat to pull off. I cetainly hope there will be another one soon as what we have all learn from this one we can apply to the next one.
We as a team had a great load of fun, and would certainly want to do it again. I think our team would be better organised and equiiped next time around
Please maybe consult with the comm leaders of each community on how to ebtter organise a new tourny sometime soon!
thanks guys
FlaminGnz
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| Re: Tournament Feedback [message #414797 is a reply to message #414795] |
Sun, 20 December 2009 22:45 |
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i would like to see another of these and i'll gladly help organise it when it comes about, as well as taking proper control of clanwars.cc right from the beginning.
few suggestions... well, if you use the original renegade points and economy system, there's no need to use this BP thing. and maybe a series of say 5 maps instead of just playing one map twice, cos if you use the right points system and disallow harvblock then all the maps are pretty fair (except mesa but that's easily solved too by using the mesa2 deadzone fix)
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