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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #195968 is a reply to message #192863] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 14:58   |
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Dover
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Nobody thus far has mentioned that Renegade comes with a "Bad language filter". If you don't like the language, throw the filter on, and relax behind your veil of censorship. Don't infringe on other people's freedom of speech. And yes, it's freedom of speech, as cheesy as it sounds.
I had this problem with a Call Of Duty server I used to play on. Their excuse was that young kids are playing on their servers. For those of you that don't know, Call Of Duty is a fairly violent WWII shooter. YOUNG KIDS HAVE NO BUSINESS PLAYING VIOLENT GAMES. IF YOU AS A PARENT ARE OKAY WITH YOUR KID WATCHING THE VIOLENCE BUT NOT THE LANGAUGE, DON'T LET HIM OR HER PLAY. If you think the answer is in servers with special rules like "No cussing", then you are a BAD PARENT AND A BAD PERSON.
If you're a server owner and you kick/ban/heckle people for cussing, you're a BAD PERSON. If you don't like cussing, fine. Don't cuss. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OVER WHAT OTHERS SAY OR DON'T SAY. "But it's my server!", you cry. People aren't cussing from your server, they're cussing from their own client machine. If you don't like cussing being recorded on your logs or whatever, edit the logs.
A word is a word is a word, and cussing is no different. So why do people cuss? Because it's familiar and comfortable for them. It has nothing to do with the "power" of the word.
People fail to realize that as much right as you do to not like cussing, other people have every right to run their mouth off. Consider this situation: You're in public with your kids when some people by you start cussing. What are you going to do? Warn them? Ban them? Call the police? The fact remains that you have no power over what other people do or say, so long as it falls withen legal limits, and cussing is WELL within legal limits. So again, what do you do? The answer is you walk away, because there's nothing else you can do.
In conclusion; a big FUCK YOU to language-strict server owners. The fact is that I keep going back to Jelly and n00bstories is that they base running of their servers on COMMON SENSE, not on bible-thumper dogma.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #195991 is a reply to message #195968] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 17:38 |
msgtpain
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that's the biggest load of shit that I've read in this thread... Sure if you're standing on a sidewalk, all you could do is engage in a war of words.. but are you trying to tell me that if you are swearing up a strom in MY restaurant, I have no right to tell you to knock it off or leave? You have no more rights in a server than you do in a restaurant or theater or bowling alley or public school.. If YOU don't want to follow the rules, you're welcome to leave... or be forced out.
Your "right to free speech" is something that the government has promised you, not me.. THEY agree not to infringe on it, not me.. That's as far as your rights go, sorry.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196002 is a reply to message #192863] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 18:48 |
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Crimson
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Dover, I appreciate the sentiment, but you are wrong. As a server owner we are God in that little world. If you're using OUR bandwidth then we have EVERY right to kick you out for ANY reason. Even if we decide that no nicknames with the letter "w" can play that day -- it's our right.
I still don't agree that it's right to censor language beyond what the built-in swear filter allows, but I'm not going to argue that other server owners don't have the right to, and I just decide NOT to play on servers that will kick me if I say "fuck" or "shit" or "damn". 
Sometimes my 10-year-old brother plays on my server but I just warned my mom ahead of time that he might be exposed to language if he plays there. And I know that if he starts behaving worse or swearing where he gets caught, that will be the end of his Renegade days.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196014 is a reply to message #192863] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 19:36 |
Berkut
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Crimson allows swearing. I do not swear, nor do I enjoy listening to others, but... [EDIT: Sorry for flaming. UNrules server had ticked me off earlier.]. Sure, I have to press "k" when my parents walk by to hide the chat window, but I remain on Crim's server for this simple reason: Her server is better.
EDIT: Removed spelling errors (most of them, anyway).
EDIT: Nah. I went ahead and erased the flaming completely. Sorry, UNrules.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196027 is a reply to message #196014] |
Wed, 12 April 2006 23:48 |
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Goztow
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| Phase 9 wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 22:36 |
Crimson allows swearing. I do not swear, nor do I enjoy listeneng to it. ...but, I will never go to UNRules servers. Why? Because they suck. Sure, I have to press "k" when my parents walk by to hide the chat window, but I remain on Crim's server for this simple reason: Her server is better than your's.
...and your's, and your's, and your's.
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It's YOURS (posessive).
And we get many players on our server who congratulate us for our "healthy" envirronment without swearing, insulting, ... (our server also has a no swearing rule) So as you can see there is a demand for both kind of servers.
And may I ask you to stop writing in red, it hurts my eyes!
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196029 is a reply to message #192863] |
Thu, 13 April 2006 00:05 |
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Dover
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I fail to see where the ownership begins. Perhaps I'm ignorant because I don't have a server, but all you really own is the machine. Since the cussing is taking place in "CyberSpace", wherever that is, I'm assuming you have no juristicion over it. A server owner has juristicion over
And even if you all are right, I think "swearing" is perhaps the weakest reason to kick anybody ever. If I'm going to be punished for that, I'd like to be lied to and told it's for something else, just to save me the trouble of going into an angry rage.
The !kick and !ban commands were made to be used against cheaters, not the foul-mouthed.
| DarkDemin wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 19:19 |
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196035 is a reply to message #196027] |
Thu, 13 April 2006 05:17 |
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| Goztow wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 07:48 |
| Phase 9 wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 22:36 |
Crimson allows swearing. I do not swear, nor do I enjoy listeneng to it. ...but, I will never go to UNRules servers. Why? Because they suck. Sure, I have to press "k" when my parents walk by to hide the chat window, but I remain on Crim's server for this simple reason: Her server is better than your's.
...and your's, and your's, and your's.
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It's YOURS (posessive).
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Who the hell are you to correct somebody else's grammar? You're just as bad.
Seriously, don't even try to correct somebody else's English if you don't know what the hell you're on about yourself.
He used the correct "your" but he misused the apostrophe.
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PS. It's spelled "possessive".
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196040 is a reply to message #196029] |
Thu, 13 April 2006 07:21 |
Kanezor
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| Dover wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 02:05 |
I fail to see where the ownership begins. Perhaps I'm ignorant because I don't have a server, but all you really own is the machine. Since the cussing is taking place in "CyberSpace", wherever that is, I'm assuming you have no juristicion over it. A server owner has juristicion over
And even if you all are right, I think "swearing" is perhaps the weakest reason to kick anybody ever. If I'm going to be punished for that, I'd like to be lied to and told it's for something else, just to save me the trouble of going into an angry rage.
The !kick and !ban commands were made to be used against cheaters, not the foul-mouthed.
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How old are you? You obviously haven't grasped the concept of ownership. As msgtpain pointed out very clearly, the server is like a restaurant. Instead of getting served food, though, you get served a game of C&C Renegade. If you start swearing in the restaurant, you will get kicked out. If you continue to swear, the restaurant can file a slew of charges against you, including but not limited to (depending on your area) verbal abuse/assault and trespassing. Likewise, if you continue to use vulgar language in servers which do not allow it, you can be banned from the server.
If you don't like it, then go purchase your own restaurant. It's the exact same way just about everywhere on the internet. If you get on AOL and join a public chat room and start swearing, AOL will kick you. It's AOL's service that is providing the chat room, thus it is AOL's restaurant, thus AOL can kick you from the chatroom.
If you start sending vulgar emails to a mailing list, you will get kicked off of the mailing list.
The point of the matter is, whether or not you think swearing is a right or a priviledge, it is ultimately not up to you.
As for your "CyberSpace" argument, that point is completely moot. C&C Renegade requires a server machine to run on. All of your chat goes through this machine before being sent to anyone else. Thus, if the server owner doesn't like what you are saying on that machine, they can kick you from that machine.
Think of CyberSpace as the ocean, and servers as a port. If you violate the rules of the port, you will be removed from that port. You can still dock at other ports, though. The port is free to make up whatever rules they like, and you must obey them or face consequences.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196064 is a reply to message #196060] |
Thu, 13 April 2006 11:37 |
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Goztow
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| mrpirate wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 14:14 |
I quoted you because I thought it was funny.
On to Goztow, I'm glad you put "healthy" in quotations because I'm not sure I agree that pretending that humans don't have negative feelings is healthy.
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Yes, that's why they are there.
You know how stupid it seems to me to type out swear words? I can understand you swear when you get killed. I also say swear words. But typing them out? I mean:
- you need to do F2 and type it
- during that period you can get killed again, but then you will say "hey n00b you type killed me"
- you can get killed again while typing that
- noone cares you didn't like getting killed. Say it to your dog, he'll listen
I fail to see why people make an effort to type out swearing in a server.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196081 is a reply to message #196027] |
Thu, 13 April 2006 14:20 |
Berkut
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| Goztow wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 01:48 |
And may I ask you to stop writing in red, it hurts my eyes!
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So my evil plan is working! 
But seriously, I went to the other servers. They were too glitchy, small, or just plain boring. Crim's server may allow cussing, (and I hate it), but who cares? If you can't handle it, don't join the freakin' server. Until Crim's server sucks worse than the rest, (as if that were possible), I will stay at n00bstories.
EDIT: By the way, there really is no point in correcting another person's English. You're just going to screw up later and make a retard of yourself. Anyway, English is hard. I'm correcting the typo, so thanks. You just saved me a few points on my research paper I am supposed to be... typing... right now. Oh, boy.
EDIT: Goztow, you have pictures of Stalin and the hammer-sickle logo in your signature. Why should you care about the color red? 
EDIT (last one, I swear): Oh, Koss? I think that one was down when I was scoping out servers. Could be good for all I know. Still, n00bstories has me hooked at the moment. Maybe I'll try it later. Heh. Sorry. You can't judge a book by its cover... if it's not on-shelf. 
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196098 is a reply to message #192863] |
Thu, 13 April 2006 16:25 |
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you're using wrong examples. It's more like, in a place where violence is common or where it's probably teen or above, then it would naturally seem reasonable that swearing would be allowed since swearing and violence are at the same age for acceptance. what you're saying is that since you're the owner you can do whatever you want as long as it's above the law. You can kick out anyone if you wanted, but how is this right(as in right or wrong)? It doesn't make it right, it just means you have the power to do it. Likewise a person who owns a place can be a jerk if he wants to but that isn't right. and i say it's not right to not allow swearing because there's a rating for teen and that means violence or swearing. But yes, owners have the right to be jackasses all they want.
Oderint, dum metuant.
It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat. - Theodore "Teddy" Roosevelt
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196156 is a reply to message #195991] |
Fri, 14 April 2006 02:23 |
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| msgtpain wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 20:38 |
that's the biggest load of shit that I've read in this thread... Sure if you're standing on a sidewalk, all you could do is engage in a war of words.. but are you trying to tell me that if you are swearing up a strom in MY restaurant, I have no right to tell you to knock it off or leave? You have no more rights in a server than you do in a restaurant or theater or bowling alley or public school.. If YOU don't want to follow the rules, you're welcome to leave... or be forced out.
Your "right to free speech" is something that the government has promised you, not me.. THEY agree not to infringe on it, not me.. That's as far as your rights go, sorry.
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So I'm guessing you're saying the government would allow you to deny people the ability to go to school and to confiscate their ability to defend their homes, because after all, these rights only apply to government-citizen interaction and nothing more!
Oh wait.
I'm sure you wouldn't want me swearing in your posh restaraunt for the rich and famous. But would you tell me to watch my words while we share the same foxhole? What if we're in a seedy back alley club? What if we're at some teen clubhouse? We're not in a restaraunt when we're playing this game, and we didn't join a server expecting a gentleman's get-together with "I do say my good chap, could you please join with me on an excursion into the base over yonder via this fantastic armored personel carrier?" ... when I join a server, I expect "Dude get your ass in the APC, rush"
Hey wait. We're talking about playing Renegade right? Which already has a language filter built in? I got lost somewhere about restaraunts and the law only applying to some people and not others.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196159 is a reply to message #192863] |
Fri, 14 April 2006 03:50 |
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I think you totally missed the point, chronojam. Restart reading all posts who are merely copy-pasts of 3 different opinions 5 times and maybe you'll get it.
You can find me in The KOSs2 (TK2) discord while I'm playing. Feel free to come and say hi! TK2 discord
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196166 is a reply to message #196156] |
Fri, 14 April 2006 05:08 |
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| Chronojam wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 05:23 |
| msgtpain wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 20:38 |
that's the biggest load of shit that I've read in this thread... Sure if you're standing on a sidewalk, all you could do is engage in a war of words.. but are you trying to tell me that if you are swearing up a strom in MY restaurant, I have no right to tell you to knock it off or leave? You have no more rights in a server than you do in a restaurant or theater or bowling alley or public school.. If YOU don't want to follow the rules, you're welcome to leave... or be forced out.
Your "right to free speech" is something that the government has promised you, not me.. THEY agree not to infringe on it, not me.. That's as far as your rights go, sorry.
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So I'm guessing you're saying the government would allow you to deny people the ability to go to school and to confiscate their ability to defend their homes, because after all, these rights only apply to government-citizen interaction and nothing more!
Oh wait.
I'm sure you wouldn't want me swearing in your posh restaraunt for the rich and famous. But would you tell me to watch my words while we share the same foxhole? What if we're in a seedy back alley club? What if we're at some teen clubhouse? We're not in a restaraunt when we're playing this game, and we didn't join a server expecting a gentleman's get-together with "I do say my good chap, could you please join with me on an excursion into the base over yonder via this fantastic armored personel carrier?" ... when I join a server, I expect "Dude get your ass in the APC, rush"
Hey wait. We're talking about playing Renegade right? Which already has a language filter built in? I got lost somewhere about restaraunts and the law only applying to some people and not others.
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What you expect, and what you are regulated to do are two completely separate ideals. You may picture Renegade as sharing a foxhole with your platoon, or you may picture Renegade as a restaurant. Either way, it's not YOUR server, so you can't determine which one it is going to be for the insuing rounds. Remember, you CHOSE to go into the restaurant instead of the foxhole. That's your problem. Nobody remotely forced you to join their server.
whoa.
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| Re: Server owners, or servers in general... [message #196169 is a reply to message #192863] |
Fri, 14 April 2006 05:33 |
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what he is totally confused on is the notion that I was comparing Renegade to a restaurant. If he were to re-read the post slowly, he may understand that it was a correction of a misguided interpretation of the First Amendment, nothing more.
One of my biggest pet peeves (and actually, the easiest was for me to spot a 14 year old) is "YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T SAY!!!! I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH"!!!
No you don't... at least not in the way you think you do.
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Read that over and over until you really do understand it.. then when it's time for US History, really surprise your teacher by truly understanding what it means: CONGRESS will never make a law abridging your freedom of speech. They never said you had a right to force me to listen to your banter.. especially not in my own business or residence or server. You should never find a law that says "951 a. Dover may not swear in public." And.. that's about as far as your Rights go.
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