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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189389 is a reply to message #188873] |
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That's exactly what I've been saying. He's only useful in a defensive role when you can stay close to your base for cover... which is exactly why he's not a very good character. You win games by attacking, not defending, so if you intend not to be stuck in your own base besieged by tanks on all sides then the Laser Chaingunner is not a good character. That's not to say that he doesn't have his limited uses, but only when your team is on the back foot at the time.
Anyway, this is all irrelevant really. I was trying to make a point about how Nod doesn't have clearly superior infantry to GDI, so GDI shouldn't get the vehicle advantage to compensate. I agree btw, that the aircraft should have been more like Tiberian Dawn, but they're not and I don't think Crimson is going to want to change that. Since they have the same weapons in this game, they shouldn't have different ranges. Think about it this way... if both teams lose their barracks and the only way they can take down enemy aircraft is with their own aircraft, GDI will have a huge advantage. Is this fair? Of course it isn't. The thing is, it wasn't as noticeable in stock Renegade because aircraft hardly ever engaged each other in the open for fear of snipers. However, if n00bstories is going to keep the new armour class for light vehicles, then it I think it will become more of an issue and needs fixing too.
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189393 is a reply to message #188873] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 13:33 |
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It doesn't take very long to empty a LCG clip, and if you really need cover you don't HAVE to stay out there forever. Smart infantry use cover, and when they're not under cover they're dodging every which way. I tall boils down to one cold, hard truth: I, using my pesky little Laser Chaingun, do not have to lead my target while you, the big honkin' tank, do. I would have to try really, really hard to miss your tank, while you have to put in actual effort of some kind to hit my little soldier standing halfway across the map.
Were you aware that a Laser Chaingun can take down aircraft at a rate second only to that of the n00bjet? Low per-shot damage is NOT a disadvantage if you've got the speed and accuracy to make it up, and the Laser Chaingun has both.
Is it the best weapon in every situation? Hell no, it isn't. There are plenty of times when I'd take a PIC/Railgun or a Rocket Launcher instead. IMHO, the weapons with high per-shot damage are better for defensive duty, not the Laser Chaingun- in defensive situations, the enemy is closer, which means you want to be behind cover a lot more (meaning, in turn, that you want to do a lot of damage in a very short period of time every time you pop out of cover). On an open field, I'd rather have a Laser Chaingun, because it lets me get in the maximum amount of damage with the minimum amount of downtime between shots and reloads (the Laser Chaingun also has one of the fastest reloads in the whole game). It won't leave me high and dry in an infantry brawl, either (miss even once with a slower weapon and you leave yourself wide open), and (as I believe I've stated before) it is positively brilliant as an anti-aircraft weapon.
I might just be hazarding a guess here, but I'm just going to go ahead and say that I seriously doubt you've spent much time actually using a Laser Chaingun. When I'm on Nod, unless I'm playing as an Engineer or in armor, that's the first thing I buy... and most of the time, I live a lot longer using that than I do using anything else. The Laser Chaingun really is a devastatingly effective weapon.
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189397 is a reply to message #189312] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 14:25 |
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Devinoch's and Girv333 were great.
Sfps was good
Even the map rotation owned 
It was laggy though, but it's not that strange when I was running on a onboard gfx and a 1100 mhz processor. Some people would have had reasonble fps since, the p4/Atlhon 1500 were out already.
Me and some others were busy pointwhoring anyways...
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189399 is a reply to message #188873] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 14:30 |
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Ask JeffLee67 about LCG -- it's his favorite character and he is amazing with it.
My trial is still going well. There are a few complaints here and there but most of the reaction is positive. I'm very interested to see if destroying the WF first in Walls Flying doesn't mean GDI wins anymore.
I'm the bawss.
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189415 is a reply to message #189399] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 16:31 |
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| Crimson wrote on Fri, 10 February 2006 16:30 |
My trial is still going well. There are a few complaints here and there but most of the reaction is positive. I'm very interested to see if destroying the WF first in Walls Flying doesn't mean GDI wins anymore.
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What is the difference between the "few complaints" you are now getting against it vs. the "few complaints" you used to get about the way it originally was?
The last time I played City Flying with Ack (before the change), he went half the game in a apache and the remaining half in a stolen orca. During that time he had 40+ kills and 1 death; in my opinion, his argument about them being "worthless" is completely without merit. If the opposing team has 5 snipers, you're pretty much SOL, and that's the way it should be: 5000 credits really should win against 900. But when he flew against 1-2 snipers, he would always either kill them, or get away before being destroyed. The way it is now, I have a hard time believing that infantry can even walk around on a flying map with 8-10 helicopters owning the sky; but I'll reserve complete judgement until I play a game and see.
When we did this in the past, even ack agreed that the balance would be good if homing missles worked correctly.. that obviously hasn't happened so I would tend to believe that it is now unbalanced in favor of aircraft.
You can put out some raves, but their range is so short that it should be simple for two helicopters to wipe them out way before they are destroyed.
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189416 is a reply to message #189387] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 16:32 |
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| cheekay77 wrote on Fri, 10 February 2006 14:58 |
| Lijitsu wrote on Fri, 10 February 2006 14:56 |
That's why you have to learn when to reverse your jumping. I've caught myself jumping directly into a tank round when I did that, but usually you can dodge the tank round they think will hit you.
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We gotta try this one day. Ill have the tank, you can have the Chaingunner.
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189434 is a reply to message #188873] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 18:47 |
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his argument about them being "worthless" is completely without merit.
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Ever since 1995 I've been playing flight simulation games, or some kind of game about flying battles. I've spent years in Renegade perfecting my technique with Orcas\Apaches, and I have yet to see anyone else fly like I do and be able to stay alive as long.
Just because I can do it doesn't mean that they're still not worthless to other people. A n00b can take a medium tank and drive around for longer than 10 seconds. That same n00b can fly an Orca and blow up in two seconds from sniper fire. How is that useful?
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the way it should be: 5000 credits really should win against 900.
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There's more to game balance than credits spent on a unit. Do you think that five "snipers" should be able to take out a Mammoth Tank? Those five Sakuras cost more than three Mammoth Tanks.
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189445 is a reply to message #188873] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 19:58 |
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It's not as if any n00b can go and own the skies now with these changes, it still takes skill. Everything but snipers still does the exact same damage, and with even 2 or 3 minigunners shooting at you at the same time your health goes down fast.
No amount of skill could avoid the multiple blue beams that would fly towards you at the speed of light from the other side of the map. Now that skill can be properly used, and I'm sure in time people will adjust and find new ways to take down helicopters, instead of just emptying a single clip from 300ft away and killing your target...
~Canucck
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189448 is a reply to message #188873] |
Fri, 10 February 2006 20:32 |
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I have yet to see any huge difference in gameplay since the change over, myself. ...well, aside from the fact Auto-Rifles and Chainguns do squat against Orcas now.  Most people are smart enough not to stick with bullet infantry knowing they're about to get an assramming of Buggies/Humm-Vees and Engineers, though. Even before the change.
In short...I really dig this. Keep it as it is if you were planning to do otherwise. Humm-Vees, Buggies, Orcas, Artillery, and MRLS units all still end up getting demolished by other infantry(such as my Sydney) or vehicles, but can no longer be easily penitrated by a hellstorm of gunfire. ^_^
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189477 is a reply to message #188873] |
Sat, 11 February 2006 04:55 |
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I played a few maps on the server to check this out, Not much to say other then it was different and not a bad change of gameplay.
I dont think this was the way to go though..You'd be better off tweaking the settings of the armor.ini (I understand this needs to be fixed Client side aswell), but as far as a server side solution to the problem it worked allright.
This really isnt a good or bad thing, its just different....I dont think I'd want to play with these settings all the time though. I played city flying, and orca's did rule the sky once we lost our PP...where before we could atleast back some of them off with chaingunners and other low cost infantry.
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| Re: Little "trial" on n00bstories servers - might be of general interest [message #189585 is a reply to message #189434] |
Sun, 12 February 2006 01:20 |
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| Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 10 February 2006 19:47 |
Ever since 1995 I've been playing flight simulation games, or some kind of game about flying battles. I've spent years in Renegade perfecting my technique with Orcas\Apaches, and I have yet to see anyone else fly like I do and be able to stay alive as long.
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that's because you don't play top-level clan games.
FMI, does this server modification affect the points ramjets get from shooting vehicles? Because that's something I'd kill (or at least, deal a minor flesh wound) to see.
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Especially when u have a small points advantage to defend.
