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Carbons world [message #26982] Tue, 24 June 2003 07:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
warranto is currently offline  warranto
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*sigh* I guess I have to explain it all again...
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THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A LEGAL ROM SITE!


This is ture, or you wouldn't need that stupid disclaimer before you enter.

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While I'm sure the law can overlook owning a rom -if you own the actual game.


Notice I say IF YOU OWN THE ACTUAL GAME. Making copies under certain provisions is legal (sec. 117 of the US copyright law). However, distributing them is not legal. So before you try to argue the law, learn the law first!
Carbons world [message #26984] Tue, 24 June 2003 07:41 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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and btw this is in a general forum so it doesnt have to be C&C related


can you be stupider. the whole n00bstories site is about C&C. everything.


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Carbons world [message #26986] Tue, 24 June 2003 07:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes, despite my own feelings and/or use of warez, I don't publically advocate the use or promotion of them in any of my websites, chat rooms, etc... so go away.

I'm the bawss.
Carbons world [message #26989] Tue, 24 June 2003 07:51 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Idiot.

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General Discussion
General discussion of Command & Conquer Renegade
crimson [message #26990] Tue, 24 June 2003 07:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well crimson your an admin arnt you why dont you delete the post??? could that be because you know im right but you dont want to say cos your affraid of what your chums will say on n00bstories.

just to make one thing clear a noob is someone who is new to a game didnt you guys know that?
Carbons world [message #27028] Tue, 24 June 2003 10:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well crimson your an admin arnt you why dont you delete the post??? could that be because you know im right but you dont want to say cos your affraid of what your chums will say on n00bstories.


:rolleyes: I don't even have to touch this... it'smoronic in it's own words.

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just to make one thing clear a noob is someone who is new to a game didnt you guys know that?


Just to make one thing clear. A NEWB is someone who is new to the game, a noob, or n00b is someone who a player who may or may not be new to Renegade, but insists on doing brainless things, especially things that hinder the team. Such examples are using the "cool blue gun" to "shoot" an enemy or his vehicle, or placing proximity C4 in the middle of the field. Those who are defined by this site as "n00bs" will also refuse to listen to words of wisdom or, even worse, berate those who try to help. (taken from n00bstories.com)

Or in your case someone who, with overwhelming evidence of ignorance and idiocy continues to do the same thing, despite being told when to stop, or that what they are doing is wrong. (ok, not an exact definition, but I think it's close enough. If someone has a better one, feel free to improve upon or correct mine)
Carbons world [message #27030] Tue, 24 June 2003 10:44 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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No-IP.com has rules against using their services for illegal services. Warez can be concidered illegal. I don't know much about "ROM" sites, but I bet if no-ip found you were using their services for shady stuff, your account would be deleted and your IP banned.

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Carbons world [message #27078] Tue, 24 June 2003 14:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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I must make an apology to sjezk3. I did some further research into the legality of roms and I discovered something. Since roms fall under the title of 'software' distributing roms can be legal.

However there is a catch.

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by the reproduction or distribution, including by electronic means, during any 180-day period, of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $ 1,000 shall be punished as provided under section 2319 of title 18, United States Code.


To explain it, you can distribute Roms, but only so much. Considering the retail value is, we'll say about $50 US just for simplicity. You cannot distribute more than 20 roms every 180 days. So, if you limit the number of downloads to 20 every 180 days, I won't have a problem with you keeping your site up.

And yes it's easy to check if this limit has been implemented.

Just to let you know the legal course if the law is broken...
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"(1) shall be imprisoned not more than 3 years, or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both, if the offense consists of the reproduction or distribution of 10 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of $ 2,500 or more;

"(2) shall be imprisoned not more than 6 years, or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both, if the offense is a second or subsequent offense under paragraph (1); and

"(3) shall be imprisoned not more than 1 year, or fined in the amount set forth in this title, or both, if the offense consists of the reproduction or distribution of 1 or more copies or phonorecords of 1 or more copyrighted works, which have a total retail value of more than $ 1,000.


by the way, thats not 20 of each rom, thats 20 roms in total.

EDIT: just put in this last line.
Carbons world [message #27086] Tue, 24 June 2003 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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thanx dude what about emulators ??? there the software used to run the roms does the same go for them too?
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ROMS ARE NOT WAREZ !!!!

Illigal games (ISOs etc) games that you can still buy in shops are illigal to distrobrute with no execptions they are classed are warez. roms are games that you cant buy in shops no more cos they no longer make games for old consoles such as nes. so roms are allowed to be downloaded off sites as long as the people who have downloaded the rom own the game and delete it within 24 hours as my site clearly explains if you dont delete the rom within 24 hours its your own risk as any rom/emulation site will tell you.
Carbons world [message #27098] Tue, 24 June 2003 15:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Actually ROM stands for Read Only Memory, and apply to all games that use this format, not just ones that are no longer available in stores. And roms ARE warez. And like I said before, the only reason your site can exsist for the time being is if you don't exceed the equivilancy of $1000 US in downloads, otherwise it becomes illegal.

Warez:denote cracked version of commercial software, that is versions from
which copy-protection has been stripped.

EDIT: And emulators are not illegal, as shown in SONY v. CONNECTIX
Carbons world [message #27101] Tue, 24 June 2003 15:52 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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the US law doesnt mean anything to me i live in europe in UK so i guess are laws are diffrent :rolleyes:
Carbons world [message #27112] Tue, 24 June 2003 16:43 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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FUCK YOU, YOU FUCKING FUCK AND PLZ DIE!!!!!

U WERE BANNED LOLZ HAR HAR!!!

Now, end of discussion


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Stretching up and over me
Soften this old armor
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Carbons world [message #27123] Tue, 24 June 2003 17:31 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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lol k
Carbons world [message #27179] Tue, 24 June 2003 21:57 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Ummm, if your from the UK, then why are you quoting American law on your site?
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If you enter this site you are not agreeing to these terms and you are violating code 431.322.12 of the Internet Privacy Act signed by Bill Clinton in 1995


You do realize that this fact makes the disclaimer, no matter how effective or ineffective it is, completely void?
Carbons world [message #27185] Tue, 24 June 2003 22:46 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Also if the ROMs on the site are under US copyright then yes those laws do apply to the roms, and dont think the UK wont allow the US to extradite you and charge you in the US. Stranger things have been known to happen.
Carbons world [message #27186] Tue, 24 June 2003 23:01 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Your a shithead. Honostly.

Yes its illegal, because ROMS are only legal if you yourself have a legally owned copy of what your hosting a ROM for. Same goes for Emulators.

And how is it not warez? Warez in my opinian, is any distribution of Applications, Games, Cracks, Serials, for free without owning it yourself, thus, your site gives out games.


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Carbons world [message #27203] Wed, 25 June 2003 03:02 Go to previous message
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