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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112165] |
Tue, 31 August 2004 04:21   |
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warranto
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You guys aren't reading what hes saying. Your just ganging up on him and since theres multiples of you guys, you all re affirm each other.
If he is saying that if the UN doesn't care that it was illegal, then why should you, He's completely right. Why on Earth should you care? Why would you be on here arguing that the war is illegal. If it was illegal thats just fine and dandy by me. I'm an average American, I DONT care... If the UN wants to make something of it let them. The war being illegal or legal in Your Guys Mind's, Nodbuggers, and my mind, have absolutely no bearing on anything, real or fictional, that is destined to occur in the past, present or future. Java is not Leader of the UN. Warranto was not removed from power through this illegal action. Nodbugger is not Bush. None of this bickering matters at all. I'm tired of seeing you guys all attack Nodbugger in a big group. He has no backup, nor does he have a big group who can all post at the same time and barrage one of you guys.
Go find something more constructive to do. Add fancy sound systems to your cars, start Saltwater fish tanks, go run for political office. I just can't comprehend how multiple people can spend so much of their time arguing on a topic so pointless.
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Close, but you're mistaken on a couple of points. You are right (for the most part) about us not caring that America did this, regardless of its legality. (Well, in case case, I could care less). The point to this whole arguement is that nodbugger absolutely refuses to concede to this idea that despite the "righteousness" of it, it was still illegal. Regardless of whatever proof you put forth in your arguement. Nodbugger even goes as far as to make a mockery of the legal system of every country, state/provence, municipality that there is. Seeing as I'm training to become a lawyer, I take that a little bit personally.
Although you're completely right about this legal/illegal thing being a pointless topic. However what it has turned into (or at least seems to) is nodbuggers complete lack of understanding, let alone ill comprehension of how the law works, versus everyone else trying to get him to clue in.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112169] |
Tue, 31 August 2004 05:25 |
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ViperFUD
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Alright, I got two posts to respond to, and I'm gonna do it separately, since (at least) one of them is gonna be uber-long.
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You guys aren't reading what hes saying. Your just ganging up on him and since theres multiples of you guys, you all re affirm each other.
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Indeed. Well, I AM actually reading what he's saying, and if you were too, you wouldn't be defending it. Notice that Crimson isn't defending him, because she knows he's wrong.
I just want to take this moment to clarify something: I'm all for the war on Iraq. Take Saddam out of power.
That being said, let's cut the bullshit. It was vigilantism, no more, no less. It was an illegal act of violence perpetrated on a country. It was a terrorist act.
And I would have preferred it to be legal. Still would.
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I'm tired of seeing you guys all attack Nodbugger in a big group. He has no backup, nor does he have a big group who can all post at the same time and barrage one of you guys.
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And I'm tired of him being an ignorant idiot. If he shuts up, then we won't have anything to reply to, now will we? (<- Is aware of dangling preposition, but doesn't care.)
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Go find something more constructive to do. Add fancy sound systems to your cars, start Saltwater fish tanks, go run for political office. I just can't comprehend how multiple people can spend so much of their time arguing on a topic so pointless.
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And now you've joined us. Congradulations.
And shepherds we shall be,
For thee, my Lord, for thee.
Power hath descended forth from thy hand;
That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command.
And we shall flow a river forth to thee,
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112171] |
Tue, 31 August 2004 05:27 |
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ViperFUD
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Never was Iraq's severity taken away. They were always 'self governed' and never did the US take that away from them. We simply changed their leader. Which is no way violating that. Iraq is still Iraq and it will now be run by the Iraqi people. We in no way took away their sovereignty.
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Hold on. I just want to quote two specific parts of this again, cause I'm laughing so damn hard.
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... never did the US take [their sovereignty] away from them.
We simply changed their leader.
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I'm going to put this very simply for you, cause you seem to have difficulty understanding.
The definition of sovereignty, according to Merriam-Webster, definistion 2a is:
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2a. supreme power especially over a body politic
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By changing who ran their government (read:"body politic") we took away their supreme power over it.
By definition, we took AWAY THEIR SOVEREIGNTY.
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I am not evil for not caring if an evil person died. I would not care if Saddam died or if Osama dies. I wouldn't have cared when Hitler died or when Stalin died. They were all evil people that made the world a worse place to live. There is no reason not to kill them.
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I totally agree. However, there is a right way and a wrong way to do things. Doing the right things in the wrong way (do I sound like a broken record) is still WRONG.
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About the Iranian mother. If she lived there for twenty years, I'm assuming she was born there then yes she is brainwashed. Iran has a closed media and they brainwash people from the beginning. She has passed that on to you. Take some asshole out of the anti-bush protests in New York and set them down in Iran and they will never say the same things about the US as they were not so long ago. Same with China, Saddam's Iraq, North Korea, Cuba and the countless other shit holes that you fuck tards want to stay.
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Ahh, but you get upset when SuperFlyingLiberal (sorry, I just think that's a cool nick for ya) says you're brainwashed by Fox News. If the Iranian media is capable of brainwashing people, isn't the American media, also?
Or do you just think you're the only one in the world who sees the truth?
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ViperFud, you are the biggest retard ever.
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Really? More on this later ....
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And no New Yorkers never said that. I can show you a video of them saying the complete opposite. They are all pissed at the protesters taking up tax money and all their security forces. Plus all the streets they are taking up.
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And now you call me a liar.
It was on the news; and in fact, as I stated before, Fox News.
I think you've been brainwashed.
| Nodbugger |
No I never said it is legal f you don't get caught. No where ever have I said that.
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Oh really? Let's look at that:
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OF COURSE IT MEANS IT IS LEGAL! I cop doesn't pull you over to tell you that you are abiding the law.
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Looks to me like you said there that, even if you were speeding, it's only illegal if you get pulled over.
It's your fucking words bitch. You said them; and now you can't take them back.
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You analogy doesn't work dumb ass. Why the fuck would you be pressing charges if I was the one killed? It doesn't work to begin with because it isn't even a similar situation. You are just pulling shit out of your ass.
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Actually, my analogy works perfectly well. See, anyone who witnesses (or knows about) a murder can go to the police. Just because I don't,l does that make it legal?
Nice tactic, by the way; rather than answer the questions that prove you wrong, you avoid them altogether. But it doesn't fool anyone else; we all know you're a dumbshit anyway.
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Bush never said we are returning Sovereignty to Iraq. He said something that your little mind may have turned into that. Because all of you are so fucking stupid you cannot even understand what someone says, the funny part is you all call him an idiot yes you cannot understand what he says.
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From CNN.com
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... the newly sovereign nation now belongs to the people of Iraq ...
... Along with the transfer of sovereignty, the interim government ...
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Now, how can they be "newly" sovereign if they always were? And how can we transfer it back to them if we never took it in the first place?
And in case you won't accept CNN news, here's some stuf from FOXNews.com:
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On June the 30th, full sovereignty will be transferred to the interim government.
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So apparently, he DID say we were returning it.
What now, bitch?
| Nodbugger |
BTW Java you keep contradicting yourself with that is garble you keep posting.
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"Hey Sun; this is the pot. You're black." See, I couldn't say "pot" and "kettle," cause java isn't doing the shit you're accusing him of. But you sure as fuck are.
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If the UN isn't taking away our sovereignty by taking away what we can and can't do how come we are taking away Iraq's sovereignty?
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We voluntarily surrendered some of our rights when we joined the UN; nothing was "taken away." Iraq didn't ASK us to invade (and it woulda been a LOT better if they had) we just went in. Completely different story.
Now. As I promised, we'll get back to your comment about our relative intellects.
I am smarter than you. And now I will prove it. I am posting two questions from tests for one of the classes I took at MIT. The first one I got right; the second I got wrong. If you can answer both correctly, then you can say you're smarter than me. If not, then shut the fuck up.
the first question, which is so easy that it shouldn't even really be considered a challenge:
Let {x_n} be a sequence of positive real numbers such that (x_n)^3 > n. Show that
1/x_n −► 0 as n −► ∞ with respect to the usual metric on R.
And the second, which is decently harder:
Consider the function α : [0, 1] −► R defined by
½x 0 ≤ x ≤ ½
α(x) = {
½(x + 1) ½ ≤ x ≤1
Show carefully, using results from class, that any monotonic increasing function
f : [0, 1] −► R which is continuous at x = ½ is Riemann-Stieltjes integrable with respect to α.
Good luck, bitch.
~ViperFUD
And shepherds we shall be,
For thee, my Lord, for thee.
Power hath descended forth from thy hand;
That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command.
And we shall flow a river forth to thee,
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112202] |
Tue, 31 August 2004 10:56 |
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ViperFUD
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Viper, you go to MIT??
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Went to MIT ... I'm on a leave of absence right now.
Mahkra graduated from there this past spring, too. Just FYI.
And shepherds we shall be,
For thee, my Lord, for thee.
Power hath descended forth from thy hand;
That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command.
And we shall flow a river forth to thee,
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112257] |
Tue, 31 August 2004 13:53 |
Phoenix - Aeon
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positive real numbers
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Hang on, I'm a little rusty but aren't all positive numbers real by default? I thought all Imaginary numbers were extentions of i/j.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112418] |
Wed, 01 September 2004 04:16 |
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Javaxcx
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This is copied and pasted over from the other thread.
Nodbugger, you can't try and weasle your way out of this. You are wrong.
"The first of these steps will occur next month, when our coalition will transfer full sovereignty to a government of Iraqi citizens who will prepare the way for national elections." -- President George W. Bush, May 24th, 2003.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2004/05/20040524-10.html
Oh, I'm going to rub it in, too:
"On June 30th, the Coalition Provisional Authority will cease to exist, and will not be replaced. The occupation will end, and Iraqis will govern their own affairs."
Looks like there was an occupation, too! Straight from the President's mouth. Looks like you've been talking out of your ass, yet again.
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ViperFud, you are the biggest retard ever.
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Trust me kid, he shadows in comparison to what you'll find in a mirror.
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No I never said it is legal f you don't get caught. No where ever have I said that.
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 Never have I said you did.
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You analogy doesn't work dumb ass. Why the fuck would you be pressing charges if I was the one killed? It doesn't work to begin with because it isn't even a similar situation. You are just pulling shit out of your ass.
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So ending your life is totally legal because you can't testify for yourself? You know, because you've been impling the whole "it's only illegal if you're caught" rhetoric since you've been posting in this forum.
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Bush never said we are returning Sovereignty to Iraq. He said something that your little mind may have turned into that. Because all of you are so fucking stupid you cannot even understand what someone says, the funny part is you all call him an idiot yes you cannot understand what he says.
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There is something so very ironic about all this. But what is it? Oh, that's right, "you are so fucking stupid you cannot even understand what someone says". Sounds about right, don't you think? Considering he DID say it, and all.
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BTW Java you keep contradicting yourself with that is garble you keep posting.
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Nah, I've corrected myself already.
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If the UN isn't taking away our sovereignty by taking away what we can and can't do how come we are taking away Iraq's sovereignty?
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Ok, you are comparing apples and oranges here kid. I want to tell you something important: Your soveriegnty has never been taken away by the United Nations. I've already discussed this and you've convientantly chose to only read what your "FOXnews inspired" head wants to.
I've said it before, it is a damn good thing you can't vote.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112419] |
Wed, 01 September 2004 04:17 |
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ViperFUD
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(Philosophy)
1. Identifying and discussing Monism and Dualism, and what they are thought of by todays philosophers.
(Law)
2. Identify the two major types of Law, and their subcategories.
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1. In reverse order, since I feel it's easier to explain that way; Dualism is the belief that there are two parts to reality; or rather, that what we see and experience is not everything that exists. The spiritual vs the physical, and all that shit. Monism isn't. It's like what we see is what it is. (Dualism == DesCartes, Monism == Kant).
However, I don't know how "today's" philosophers feel about it, since I think after Socrates and Aristotle, we're just mentally masturbating. We should just read their shit and be like "yeah, that's how it is."
2. My guess: Criminal and Civil
or it could be Private and public (similar, but different)
or MIlitary and Civilian, though that's similar to answer #2 but not so much with answer #1.
After all, military justice isn't subject to the laws of this country.
And subdivisions; umm ... shit. It's been forever since I read about this stuff. I give up?
And shepherds we shall be,
For thee, my Lord, for thee.
Power hath descended forth from thy hand;
That our feet may swiftly carry out thy command.
And we shall flow a river forth to thee,
And teeming with souls shall it ever be.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112433] |
Wed, 01 September 2004 07:22 |
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Javaxcx
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This misinterpretation on Nodbugger's part is something else that needs to be addressed:
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Someone was putting words into his mouth.
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On your first question, let me say that this is an issue that the Council debated and considered for a long period. There have been divisions, and we cannot overlook that. Those divisions and issues -- positions of principle that governments and individuals took -- are a matter for the record. I do not think that the resolution that the Council adopted last week is going to change the history of the recent past. However, the Council has given us a solid and a legal basis for our operations in Iraq, and I think at this stage that all the Council members are focused on what they can do to help Iraq and the Iraqi people -- and I think that should be our focus and our emphasis. I think if we pursue our actions on that basis, we will be able to make a difference.
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Because as he says here , it does not matter to him.
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You do realize that the Secretary General is not part of the Coalition of the Willing, right? Hell, his own country, Ghana, is not a member of the Coalition of the Willing. What you have highlighted, right there, is Annan saying that the United Nations has a solid and legal base to accomplish their objectives which-- as it might be a surprise to you-- are not those of the Coalition of the Willing. I suggest you read subseqent resolutions past 1441 to find out what those objectives are.
Note how he states "at this stage", as in "at the moment" or "at this point" (I have to cover a varienty of venues because your literacy skills lack an unbelievable amount of discipline). He has prioritized how the Iraqi situation needs to be dealt with (for the United Nations, not the Coalition of the Willing), and just like any intelligent person, he understands that the Coalition can't stop now otherwise Iraq will fail and collapse on itself as a new sovereignty. If Annan had any credibility at all, he will follow up that statement with some action against the unlawful aggressors in the near future after Iraq has stablized.
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Read the FUD Rules before you come in and make an ass of yourself.
All your base are belong to us.
You have no chance to survive make your time.
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| The Ultimate Iraq War thread [message #112502] |
Wed, 01 September 2004 13:58 |
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Crimson
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"smarter than" isn't based on answering calculus questions. Intelligence isn't your knowledge, it's your ability to reason, learn, etc... of course I'm going off subject but I don't care.
Most people who say "I'm smarter than you" aren't.
I'm the bawss.
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