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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278545 is a reply to message #278541] |
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| Ghostshaw wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 08:39 |
Where did god come from?
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It says in the Bible that God doesn't want you to know that. He said you will understand it when you get into heaven. Besides, I'm sure our human minds can't comprehend it. THIS IS THE MEANING OF LIFE THREAD, not let's try to convince people on this forum that God isn't real thread. If you still try to convince me, I'm no going to change my opinion. No matter WHAT you say.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278558 is a reply to message #278550] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 08:52 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 09:14 |
clearly.
anyway, the above is exactly why I think belief in god is ridiculous: it's an easy answer (earth was created by a big dude in the sky) with any outstanding holes in the theory explained by "you can't understand." totally unsatisfactory.
besides if something can't come from nothing then that doesn't exactly explain where god came from.
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Scientists say the universe came from ABSOLUTELY nothing. So why can't you believe God exists? You believe the universe exists. You live in it. It came from NOTHING. Part of you believing he's there is faith. It's part of the religion. You have faith that the universe exists. Why not in God too?
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278594 is a reply to message #278570] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 11:54 |
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I LIED!
I am posting again.
There is this theory called the "Anthropic Principle"
The theory states that the Universe that we observe is there because we, as Humans can observe it. It exists because we, as Humans, know it to exist that way. The Universe exists just to support humans and life on Earth.
In other words "Humans observe, therefore the Universe is"
If humans had not evolved enough to acknowledge the existence of the Universe, it wouldn't matter if the Universe existed or not, now would it? Would the Universe still exist?
Well, people say if Humans didn't discover the Universe, it would still exist. But it brings up one point, however.
Why is it that the Universe can support Human life? It would only take a slight change in gravitational pull and the Universe would never be able to support a planet such as Earth. So why does the Universe support our lives?
I got this from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya (YES AN ANIME)
but read more on it here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropic_principle
Check here too: http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/c-anthro.htm
That second link has a list of things that show that it is only by a THIN margin that life is even POSSIBLE in the universe.
# Gravity is roughly 10^39 times weaker than electromagnetism. If gravity had been 10^33 times weaker than electromagnetism, "stars would be a billion times less massive and would burn a million times faster."
# The nuclear weak force is 10^28 times the strength of gravity. Had the weak force been slightly weaker, all the hydrogen in the universe would have been turned to helium (making water impossible, for example).
# A stronger nuclear strong force (by as little as 2 percent) would have prevented the formation of protons--yielding a universe without atoms. Decreasing it by 5 percent would have given us a universe without stars.
# If the difference in mass between a proton and a neutron were not exactly as it is--roughly twice the mass of an electron--then all neutrons would have become protons or vice versa. Say good-bye to chemistry as we know it--and to life.
# The very nature of water--so vital to life--is something of a mystery (a point noticed by one of the forerunners of anthropic reasoning in the nineteenth century, Harvard biologist Lawrence Henderson). Unique amongst the molecules, water is lighter in its solid than liquid form: Ice floats. If it did not, the oceans would freeze from the bottom up and earth would now be covered with solid ice. This property in turn is traceable to the unique properties of the hydrogen atom.
# The synthesis of carbon--the vital core of all organic molecules--on a significant scale involves what scientists view as an astonishing coincidence in the ratio of the strong force to electromagnetism. This ratio makes it possible for carbon-12 to reach an excited state of exactly 7.65 MeV at the temperature typical of the centre of stars, which creates a resonance involving helium-4, beryllium-8, and carbon-12--allowing the necessary binding to take place during a tiny window of opportunity 10^-17 seconds long.
Taken from http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/rossuk/c-anthro.htm
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278643 is a reply to message #278567] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 16:22 |
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| mrpirate wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 11:50 |
I believe the universe exists because it's tangible.
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Intangible things cannot exist then? Computer data is intangible, copyrights are also intangible. Do these things not exist?
You say it's an outrageous claim to say that God exists. I say it's outrageous that a practice like science that states that mass cannot come from nowhere, and must come from mass already present bases its entire creation theory on a principle that Nothing existed. Then, for some reason...BANG! And matter appears?
I think many people are afraid of God. And instead of facing their own immortal destiny they would rather think that life ends at death.
At any rate, one of us will be right when we sit at the gates of our own judgment. By not accepting Jesus into your heart though, you bet your soul. I don't mean to scare you, not that it probably does, but it's the truth.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278646 is a reply to message #278643] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 16:27 |
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| Jecht wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 18:22 |
| mrpirate wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 11:50 |
I believe the universe exists because it's tangible.
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Intangible things cannot exist then? Computer data is intangible, copyrights are also intangible. Do these things not exist?
You say it's an outrageous claim to say that God exists. I say it's outrageous that a practice like science that states that mass cannot come from nowhere, and must come from mass already present bases its entire creation theory on a principle that Nothing existed. Then, for some reason...BANG! And matter appears?
I think many people are afraid of God. And instead of facing their own immortal destiny they would rather think that life ends at death.
At any rate, one of us will be right when we sit at the gates of our own judgment. By not accepting Jesus into your heart though, you bet your soul. I don't mean to scare you, not that it probably does, but it's the truth.
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Amen. 
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278648 is a reply to message #278646] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 16:43 |
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Anthropic Theory. 
Applies to it has to be because we know it to be. Doesn't need to BE tangible. You don't need to hold it to know it is there.
Copyrights and computer data is CREATED by humans. Therefore it exists because we brought it into the world.
It is different when it comes to something else like the Universe. Humans didn't know of the existence of the Universe until it was discovered.
If Humans didn't discover the Universe, would it exist?
I know I said I wouldn't but, if Jesus never existed, would God exist?
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278660 is a reply to message #255606] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 17:53 |
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Ugh... why is it that people continuously have to use the supposed failings in the understanding of something to "prove" the subject of that understanding is false?
For arguments sake, lets say that every single religion in the world got it wrong in what they think God is. Does that mean the source of this idea (God) is also false?
No, it just means the understanding of that subject matter is wrong. Heck, science does this quite often. Thinks the answer is something, only to eventually prove that understanding wrong. Does it mean that the subject matter was also wrong? No, just the understanding of it. One thing that I love to quote in this is the SCIENTIFICALLY PROVEN AS TRUTH idea of Caloric. An INVISIBLE liquid is responsible for heat transfer. Science, through experiments PROVED this to be correct. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caloric
As it is known now, this is not how heat transfer occurs. The understanding was mistaken, but the subject matter was still very much valid.
The same could be said for religion. To "prove" God's existence is wrong because some religion got it wrong is ludicrous.
Tell me what you think of this statement(Sorry Crimson, only using this because it's something common to this forum):
"Crimson created cheating programs. I know this to be true because many people have said it."
That would be a false/misunderstood statement. Therefor because that is wrong, Crimson must not exist. After all, that's the same logic that is being used whenever people use something religion got wrong as "proof" God does not exist.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278662 is a reply to message #278648] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 17:57 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Sun, 12 August 2007 17:43 |
If Humans didn't discover the Universe, would it exist?
I know I said I wouldn't but, if Jesus never existed, would God exist?
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Double post, I know... just wanted to keep these two ideas separate.
If it can not be measured it can not exist.
At least, that's yet another reason people use to say that God can not exist. There is no way to "measure" God.
However, once again, this is ludicrous. Did you know that around the 1900's (I think), the scientific community was ready to declare science as obsolete because they thought that everything to discover had been discovered?
I guess at that point in time, Atoms must not have existed, nor the multitude of planets discovered since then... they were never there until they were discovered.
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278719 is a reply to message #278712] |
Sun, 12 August 2007 21:45 |
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| nikki6ixx wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 00:28 |
We're some Alien's Grade 10 science project that he forgot about until the night before the due date. 
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OH!!! DON'T EVEN GET ME STARTED ON THEORIES WHERE WE CAME FROM!
TOO LATE!
Ready, this is how it is broken down. *ahem*
Long, long ago, before the creation of the Earth, there was a similar planet to earth on a far off star system. On this planet, Humanoid beings (I say humanoid because environment effects changes in the way life survives) lived there. Well, there was this problem, and in their years of living, they mastered genetics and understood basic space travel and transport.
What they did, was they genetically encoded their DNA and Genes and micro life onto this LARGE rock... possible more than 1 rock.
They launch this(ese) rock(s) into space hoping that they will one day find a suitable home, and grow into a new life.
Now, early in the life of Earth, before the atmosphere was created, the Earth was pelted with hundreds of thousands of meteors a day! Whos to say that one of these rocks was (one of) the rock(s) that 'they' launched into space for spices survival?
A meteor that carried the seeds of life, crashed into Earth, and spread life out once again.
This actually ties into this thread. The meaning of life, to go on living and proving we live. To live for those who sent us here, who gave us a home.
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Sun, 12 August 2007 21:52 |
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| razorblade001 wrote on Mon, 13 August 2007 00:45 |
Ready, this is how it is broken down. *ahem*
Long, long ago, before the creation of the Earth, there was a similar planet to earth on a far off star system. On this planet, Humanoid beings (I say humanoid because environment effects changes in the way life survives) lived there. Well, there was this problem, and in their years of living, they mastered genetics and understood basic space travel and transport.
What they did, was they genetically encoded their DNA and Genes and micro life onto this LARGE rock... possible more than 1 rock.
They launch this(ese) rock(s) into space hoping that they will one day find a suitable home, and grow into a new life.
Now, early in the life of Earth, before the atmosphere was created, the Earth was pelted with hundreds of thousands of meteors a day! Whos to say that one of these rocks was (one of) the rock(s) that 'they' launched into space for spices survival?
A meteor that carried the seeds of life, crashed into Earth, and spread life out once again.
This actually ties into this thread. The meaning of life, to go on living and proving we live. To live for those who sent us here, who gave us a home.
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I doubt they'd be too pleased with us. If there really were aliens watching us, I'm sure they would have given up after Fred Durst sold a bazillion albums. 
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| Re: The meaning of life? [message #278762 is a reply to message #255606] |
Mon, 13 August 2007 01:50 |
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99.99999999999% of the UFO sightings are either secret american experimental planes(there is a black UAF with a budget just as big as the white UAF) or normal planes, or natural phenomena.
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