| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429667 is a reply to message #429665] |
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| DeathLink6.0 wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 14:47 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 07:25 |
You just proved my point, they are very handy features to have. The downside of them are (I think) that it makes defending too easy (presuming everyone has them). It would be impossible to sneak in somewhere. Hell you wouldn't even need to lay down 5 mines per entrace anymore, as you'll directly notices when someons attempts to move in.
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Agreed but only in relation to the minecounter feature. Otherwise no.
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Anyone ever wondered why you don't get EVA messages for every building that's under attack?
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Yea and my answer is: EVA would spam messages for every little bullet and that would be annoying for players to hear every half second such a message. This is the one and only reason and not because covering sneaking techis.
I'm totally NOT convinced that BB would change the gameplay in a negative way.
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I strongly disagree. If this were the case, then they'd have done an EVA message for each building and have a counter per building. Now there's only one EVA message per x time over ALL buildings.
Also BB is a much greater advantage than mine count because it warns you for immediate and urgent danger whereas the mine counter only tells you "there may be danger inside your base within > 30 seconds".
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429673 is a reply to message #429667] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 09:17 |
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| Goztow wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 08:02 |
I strongly disagree. If this were the case, then they'd have done an EVA message for each building and have a counter per building. Now there's only one EVA message per x time over ALL buildings.
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Maybe maybe not... with a counter for every building you would still have the problem with multiple short messages after each other.
| Goztow wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 08:02 |
Also BB is a much greater advantage than mine count because it warns you for immediate and urgent danger whereas the mine counter only tells you "there may be danger inside your base within > 30 seconds".
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Don't forget I'm talking about the feature in general (if every would have it).
Okay maybe it has a negative effect if add bb permanently or not. I'm not sure. It is still nothing is proven for me. I think we have a too different opinions and views about this.
Independent from this. What about my two compromises?
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429685 is a reply to message #429673] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 10:54 |
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You only need to play with a BB for 1 whole day on all the WW stock maps to see how it drastically changes gameplay in your favour.
Once on Under, I was SBH with grenade launcher from spawn. I went deep into the GDI tunnels and shot the Barr with my laser rifle prompting EVA to announce that it was under attack. I quickly switched to grenade launcher and grenaded the PP and took almost more than half its health away. A GDI player with BB will notice which buildings really needs repairs. Its this nice element of surprise that BB users don't seem to mind losing. The examples go on and on...
I don't know why TT has to compromise on this issue while the individual power really belongs to the server communities. It really is imho upto the communities to have a internal vote or a rule change or clarification to makeway for BB's to be allowed on their server.
Asking TT for a compromise is like asking the central government to needlessly interefere and help out while the individual states/districts already have the ability to resolve the matter themselves.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429687 is a reply to message #429685] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 11:01 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 19:54 |
You only need to play with a BB for 1 whole day on all the WW stock maps to see how it drastically changes gameplay in your favour.
Once on Under, I was SBH with grenade launcher from spawn. I went deep into the GDI tunnels and shot the Barr with my laser rifle prompting EVA to announce that it was under attack. I quickly switched to grenade launcher and grenaded the PP and took almost more than half its health away. A GDI player with BB will notice which buildings really needs repairs. Its this nice element of surprise that BB users don't seem to mind losing. The examples go on and on...
I don't know why TT has to compromise on this issue while the individual power really belongs to the server communities. It really is imho upto the communities to have a internal vote or a rule change or clarification to makeway for BB's to be allowed on their server.
Asking TT for a compromise is like asking the central government to needlessly interefere and help out while the individual states/districts already have the ability to resolve the matter themselves.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429688 is a reply to message #429685] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 11:03 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 12:54 |
Asking TT for a compromise is like asking the central government to needlessly interefere and help out while the individual states/districts already have the ability to resolve the matter themselves.
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I'm not asking TT to do anything. Where did you read that?
I'm just discussing and doing mind experiments.
Anyway it's the fault of the building bars if people don't use existing feature. My compromises would change nothing except you can run/walk/shoot while pressing the existing building bar button.
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Thank God someone read my posts!
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They were full of statements and contained not one example situation to underline them. Starbuzzz finally made that.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429691 is a reply to message #429252] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 11:33 |
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So what? Its up to the serverowners if they allow BB or not?
You do realise then, that 99% of the servers will allow it, so the ridiculous amount of angriness about BB is rather futile.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429697 is a reply to message #429688] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 11:56 |
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| DeathLink6.0 wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 20:03 |
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Thank God someone read my posts!
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They were full of statements and contained not one example situation to underline them. Starbuzzz finally made that.
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Yet another proof you didn't read my posts.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429698 is a reply to message #429697] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 12:05 |
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Yet another proof you didn't read my posts.
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I strongly disagree.
Maybe I understand something different than you when I swrote "example"? Ever thought of that? According to my definition there are no examples or situations which underline your statements.
Btw do you want to continue making baseless suppositions concerning my person? Or do you even want to start insulting me? I'm open for everything today - I already know enough, so there is no need but I'm also happy about every additional piece I can get. It's up to you Gozy 
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429699 is a reply to message #429507] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 12:14 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 27 May 2010 04:30 |
| Goztow wrote on Wed, 26 May 2010 01:57 |
When 5 arties are pounding your base while you are grouping up meds to destroy them, then a building can be dead within less than 20 seconds.
The difference between realtime info and pressing the key is a huge gap. I'd like to see someone fraps how he plays when he's constantly pressing the 'k' button long enough to watch the health of all buildings. If you want the same level of information as BB, then your gameplay will become totally wrecked because you need to keep doing it all the way throughout the game.
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This is the entire argument against buildings bars in a nutshell. If someone cannot understand this as well-decribed by Goztow, then they obviously are suffering from TAP syndrome.
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I guess you missed this when you weren't reading my posts then.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429701 is a reply to message #429699] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 12:43 |
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Hey you are right. I haven't read that. I only read the lower part of page 4 (everything after my post) and page 5 of this topic. Everything concerning our discussion. How hell should I know that you posted an example long before? I don't have time to follow everything. Give me a hint or a link next time whenever I should ask for something again!
And what are we doing now with the existing building bars? Who's using the existing BBs constantly and often? If not for what are they else useful for? I never really used them in clanwars/public games. Only once in two dozen games just to check if they still appear if I press K. Why are they there?
Edit: Again what's now with my ideas/compromises concerning this?
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429708 is a reply to message #429704] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 14:24 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 21:23 |
| Tiesto wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 20:33 |
So what? Its up to the serverowners if they allow BB or not?
You do realise then, that 99% of the servers will allow it, so the ridiculous amount of angriness about BB is rather futile.
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Certainly not 99%. There are currently about 88 servers. I can assure you that at least one will have BB disabled. That would make it max 98,87% of the servers. Since BlackIntel technically runs 3 servers, you'd already be down to about 96%.
Now stop abusing statistics if you can't back them up, retard.
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oh my god! Mr angry!
Okay, a majority of the servers will allow it then, would that satisfy you and your high horse?
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429717 is a reply to message #429685] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 15:26 |
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| Starbuzzz wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 12:54 |
You only need to play with a BB for 1 whole day on all the WW stock maps to see how it drastically changes gameplay in your favour.
Once on Under, I was SBH with grenade launcher from spawn. I went deep into the GDI tunnels and shot the Barr with my laser rifle prompting EVA to announce that it was under attack. I quickly switched to grenade launcher and grenaded the PP and took almost more than half its health away. A GDI player with BB will notice which buildings really needs repairs. Its this nice element of surprise that BB users don't seem to mind losing. The examples go on and on...
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You can rapidly press J or K to get the same effect. A guy with building bars only has the advantage of slightly faster updates, even then it's not much as you make it out to be.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429724 is a reply to message #429708] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 17:32 |
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| Tiesto wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 23:24 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 21:23 |
| Tiesto wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 20:33 |
So what? Its up to the serverowners if they allow BB or not?
You do realise then, that 99% of the servers will allow it, so the ridiculous amount of angriness about BB is rather futile.
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Certainly not 99%. There are currently about 88 servers. I can assure you that at least one will have BB disabled. That would make it max 98,87% of the servers. Since BlackIntel technically runs 3 servers, you'd already be down to about 96%.
Now stop abusing statistics if you can't back them up, retard.
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oh my god! Mr angry!
Okay, a majority of the servers will allow it then, would that satisfy you and your high horse?
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Not until you show me that majority. My guess is that it'll be pretty 50/50 when you'll look at all servers. But I haven't checked this.
And I'm being Mr.Angry because I hate it when someone claims sonething which may very well be different. The majority could be true, but you're stating it as if it where a fact, that's plain wrong.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429728 is a reply to message #429724] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 18:06 |
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| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 19:32 |
| Tiesto wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 23:24 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 21:23 |
| Tiesto wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 20:33 |
So what? Its up to the serverowners if they allow BB or not?
You do realise then, that 99% of the servers will allow it, so the ridiculous amount of angriness about BB is rather futile.
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Certainly not 99%. There are currently about 88 servers. I can assure you that at least one will have BB disabled. That would make it max 98,87% of the servers. Since BlackIntel technically runs 3 servers, you'd already be down to about 96%.
Now stop abusing statistics if you can't back them up, retard.
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oh my god! Mr angry!
Okay, a majority of the servers will allow it then, would that satisfy you and your high horse?
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Not until you show me that majority. My guess is that it'll be pretty 50/50 when you'll look at all servers. But I haven't checked this.
And I'm being Mr.Angry because I hate it when someone claims sonething which may very well be different. The majority could be true, but you're stating it as if it where a fact, that's plain wrong.
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Should have said "active" servers.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429743 is a reply to message #429252] |
Sat, 29 May 2010 23:41 |
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TK2 would disable it...
I'm still waiting for someone to fraps how he plays while pressing k every 3 seconds during battle, as I requested about 20 posts ago.
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429744 is a reply to message #429743] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 00:02 |
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| Goztow wrote on Sun, 30 May 2010 01:41 |
TK2 would disable it...
I'm still waiting for someone to fraps how he plays while pressing k every 3 seconds during battle, as I requested about 20 posts ago.
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This proofs only that this is useless feature atm. Bring it to use and change the gameplay!
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429745 is a reply to message #429728] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 00:24 |
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| Clark Kent wrote on Sun, 30 May 2010 03:06 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 19:32 |
| Tiesto wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 23:24 |
| EvilWhiteDragon wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 21:23 |
| Tiesto wrote on Sat, 29 May 2010 20:33 |
So what? Its up to the serverowners if they allow BB or not?
You do realise then, that 99% of the servers will allow it, so the ridiculous amount of angriness about BB is rather futile.
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Certainly not 99%. There are currently about 88 servers. I can assure you that at least one will have BB disabled. That would make it max 98,87% of the servers. Since BlackIntel technically runs 3 servers, you'd already be down to about 96%.
Now stop abusing statistics if you can't back them up, retard.
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oh my god! Mr angry!
Okay, a majority of the servers will allow it then, would that satisfy you and your high horse?
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Not until you show me that majority. My guess is that it'll be pretty 50/50 when you'll look at all servers. But I haven't checked this.
And I'm being Mr.Angry because I hate it when someone claims sonething which may very well be different. The majority could be true, but you're stating it as if it where a fact, that's plain wrong.
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Should have said "active" servers.
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BlackIntel is active. Not as active as it has been in the past, but hey, what server doesn't suffer?
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| Re: RSF Raptor [message #429776 is a reply to message #429252] |
Sun, 30 May 2010 11:40 |
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Opinions are opinions are opinions. My opinion can be flawed in your opinion and right in someone else's opinion. It's hard to draw a line of what is acceptable and what isn't, and this line will be different for everyone. However, I drawed the line of what's acceptable on renforums very clearly wrt building bars on renforums and the temp banned user choose to volontary ignore it.
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