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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405734 is a reply to message #405549] |
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its true tho, just because he happened to sign onto xwis 1 minute prior to other people he managed to make all the server names his that the average joe on renegade just joins up on to play a quick game, there are barely any servers alive other than all the jelly servers... but they are ran quite good i must say so i dont really care what happens, just saying its not competely fair... but its not that big of a deal aslong as they try to support the community and give them a good time while ingame
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405735 is a reply to message #405719] |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:09 |
@ Ethanal:
No one's forcibly reversing that, if they were, I doubt they'd have made a topic, they'd have just done it. We're trying to prove that, as no one is forcibly reversing anything, the fact that Jelly owns so many names is not exactly fair on new communities or any he may take a hypothetical dislike to, and thus this topic is also a request to Jelly to consider that. (The pointsfix is involved, as Jelly does not, for reasons that have no bearing on this thread, use the pointsfix, and Spoony would like a Pointsfix, 0 Start credits etc etc server somewhere towards the top of the listings)
@ Dover, NO IMAGE MACROS. FFS.
@ Zell. Moderator me says: No ad-hominem please, I want a proper discussion.
I say (Also @Zell): Spoony is simply trying to lower the degree of control Jelly has. Not remove Jelly from the top of the list. Doing so would be idiotic in the extreme.
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if spoony talked to jelly privately there would have easily been a agreement rather then talk publicly to this jelly has prooved he is open to spoonys ideas and has offered him a name for spoony to put a tt points fix server in 1 of the a00 names
everybody knows jelly would have considered spoonys request into giving some of the control to tt admins i just find this ridiculous because he made this public when there was definetely no need for it like spoony says they are friends and they should easily have been able to come to a conclusion this is why alot of the jelly players have reacted badly towards this cause this looks nothing like spoony trying to ask for some support from jelly it looks like hes trying to force us to give him the names and obviously the points fix is involved it always has been with spoony idc if spoony says he didnt mean to get a bad reaction out of jelly or start a fight with them because it certainly looks like it was his sole purpose and obviously he got it
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405736 is a reply to message #405733] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:25 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:23 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:19 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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And TT's project is their sole property. What difference does it make that the results of that project will be used by others? Jelly's servers are used by people other than him. They're even occasionally used by people who don't consider themselves part of the Jelly community (Like myself).
Jelly's server is his sole property = cool.
TT's project is their sole intelectual property = great
Jelly's server is used by other people who aren't Jelly or Jelly-affiliated = Awesome
TT's project will be used by people outside TT = ???
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The difference is that EA requires that TT's project's results must be approved by the collective of the community. They can happily release it however they want to, but then the people that manually download it agree to the terms of the project. If EA pushes it, then they're forced to agree. On the otherhand, it says nowhere that nicknames registered on WOL are public domain. Jelly can do whatever he wants with them regardless of whether they affect the rest of the community, because nobody said he couldn't (nobody that mattered, anyway).
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EA hasn't rejected the project yet, and all signs point that they'll give the go-ahead since it'll get the Renegade community off their back, at least temporarily. If EA were to voice some kind of concern with the direction TT was taking, you might have a point here. But as it is they don't give two shits about us.
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I apologize then, because I was speaking of the terms of the situation; not of what would be most likely to actually occur.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade 
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405737 is a reply to message #405732] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:26 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:23 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:21 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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Your argument is that there is no higher authority, so that there is no obligation at all to do anything? Nice morals. (Not a personal comment, just pointing out that those should always be present)
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Except morals aren't a factor if we're questioning the fairness of the situation now are they?
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Pardon? How else is one judging fairness?
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405741 is a reply to message #405736] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:29 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:25 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:23 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:19 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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And TT's project is their sole property. What difference does it make that the results of that project will be used by others? Jelly's servers are used by people other than him. They're even occasionally used by people who don't consider themselves part of the Jelly community (Like myself).
Jelly's server is his sole property = cool.
TT's project is their sole intelectual property = great
Jelly's server is used by other people who aren't Jelly or Jelly-affiliated = Awesome
TT's project will be used by people outside TT = ???
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The difference is that EA requires that TT's project's results must be approved by the collective of the community. They can happily release it however they want to, but then the people that manually download it agree to the terms of the project. If EA pushes it, then they're forced to agree. On the otherhand, it says nowhere that nicknames registered on WOL are public domain. Jelly can do whatever he wants with them regardless of whether they affect the rest of the community, because nobody said he couldn't (nobody that mattered, anyway).
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EA hasn't rejected the project yet, and all signs point that they'll give the go-ahead since it'll get the Renegade community off their back, at least temporarily. If EA were to voice some kind of concern with the direction TT was taking, you might have a point here. But as it is they don't give two shits about us.
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I apologize then, because I was speaking of the terms of the situation; not of what would be most likely to actually occur.
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What's "the situation"? Beyond not being likely to voice any complaints, EA isn't voicing any complaints currently and hasn't voiced any in the past. What lead you to believe anything different was going on (Currently, in terms of the situation)?
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:09 |
@ Dover, NO IMAGE MACROS. FFS.
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Sorry, Carrier. I do respect you, the moderation staff, and the rules of this forum, but when presented with "b& this nurd pl0x", there are only so many directions the discussion can take.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405743 is a reply to message #405737] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:30 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:26 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:23 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:21 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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Your argument is that there is no higher authority, so that there is no obligation at all to do anything? Nice morals. (Not a personal comment, just pointing out that those should always be present)
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Except morals aren't a factor if we're questioning the fairness of the situation now are they?
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Pardon? How else is one judging fairness?
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Fairness can be defined in a few ways, so sorry; I'm going by the fact that it was in accordance with the rules, because it was; whether or not it was immoral seems to me like it would be beyond the scope of the argument, because it isn't anyone but EA's choice to make.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405745 is a reply to message #405743] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:31 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:30 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:26 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:23 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:21 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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Your argument is that there is no higher authority, so that there is no obligation at all to do anything? Nice morals. (Not a personal comment, just pointing out that those should always be present)
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Except morals aren't a factor if we're questioning the fairness of the situation now are they?
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Pardon? How else is one judging fairness?
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Fairness can be defined in a few ways, so sorry; I'm going by the fact that it was in accordance with the rules, because it was; whether or not it was immoral seems to me like it would be beyond the scope of the argument, because it isn't anyone but EA's choice to make.
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You're confusing "fair" with "legal". They aren't the same thing.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405746 is a reply to message #405741] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:32 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:29 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:25 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:23 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:19 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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And TT's project is their sole property. What difference does it make that the results of that project will be used by others? Jelly's servers are used by people other than him. They're even occasionally used by people who don't consider themselves part of the Jelly community (Like myself).
Jelly's server is his sole property = cool.
TT's project is their sole intelectual property = great
Jelly's server is used by other people who aren't Jelly or Jelly-affiliated = Awesome
TT's project will be used by people outside TT = ???
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The difference is that EA requires that TT's project's results must be approved by the collective of the community. They can happily release it however they want to, but then the people that manually download it agree to the terms of the project. If EA pushes it, then they're forced to agree. On the otherhand, it says nowhere that nicknames registered on WOL are public domain. Jelly can do whatever he wants with them regardless of whether they affect the rest of the community, because nobody said he couldn't (nobody that mattered, anyway).
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EA hasn't rejected the project yet, and all signs point that they'll give the go-ahead since it'll get the Renegade community off their back, at least temporarily. If EA were to voice some kind of concern with the direction TT was taking, you might have a point here. But as it is they don't give two shits about us.
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I apologize then, because I was speaking of the terms of the situation; not of what would be most likely to actually occur.
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What's "the situation"? Beyond not being likely to voice any complaints, EA isn't voicing any complaints currently and hasn't voiced any in the past. What lead you to believe anything different was going on (Currently, in terms of the situation)?
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As I said, I was only going by what was actually stated by EA; I wasn't making an assumption about whether or not EA actually gave a damn about TT, at which point I would agree with you, they probably don't give two shits about us.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405748 is a reply to message #405746] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:33 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:32 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:29 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:25 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:23 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:19 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:14 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:11 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:09 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:07 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:05 |
| raven wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:00 |
Simple, it doesn't concern anyone but the administration of Jelly (in this case, Jelly himself) and the administration of TT.
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You're right. Those are the only people any such discussion would affect. It definitely wouldn't have an effect on anybody else, or on the community as a whole. That's why decisions on other issues like pointfix should be taken solely by the TT administration, with no input from the community as a whole.
Oh wait...
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It would be in any case his decision and his only, so it does not infact require any community input. Smart ass.
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You're right! And I'm agreeing with you! That's why TT should say "Fuck you!" to the anti-pointfix crowd and do whatever they're going to do anyway, since it's their project and their decision only, so it does not infact require any community input. I'm glad we're on the same page.
It's so nice to meet another community member who support mandatory pointfix!
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Only difference: those nicknames belong to Jelly and Jelly only, but TT's right to push their patch is required by EA to have community support. Try again.
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And TT's project is their sole property. What difference does it make that the results of that project will be used by others? Jelly's servers are used by people other than him. They're even occasionally used by people who don't consider themselves part of the Jelly community (Like myself).
Jelly's server is his sole property = cool.
TT's project is their sole intelectual property = great
Jelly's server is used by other people who aren't Jelly or Jelly-affiliated = Awesome
TT's project will be used by people outside TT = ???
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The difference is that EA requires that TT's project's results must be approved by the collective of the community. They can happily release it however they want to, but then the people that manually download it agree to the terms of the project. If EA pushes it, then they're forced to agree. On the otherhand, it says nowhere that nicknames registered on WOL are public domain. Jelly can do whatever he wants with them regardless of whether they affect the rest of the community, because nobody said he couldn't (nobody that mattered, anyway).
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EA hasn't rejected the project yet, and all signs point that they'll give the go-ahead since it'll get the Renegade community off their back, at least temporarily. If EA were to voice some kind of concern with the direction TT was taking, you might have a point here. But as it is they don't give two shits about us.
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I apologize then, because I was speaking of the terms of the situation; not of what would be most likely to actually occur.
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What's "the situation"? Beyond not being likely to voice any complaints, EA isn't voicing any complaints currently and hasn't voiced any in the past. What lead you to believe anything different was going on (Currently, in terms of the situation)?
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As I said, I was only going by what was actually stated by EA; I wasn't making an assumption about whether or not EA actually gave a damn about TT, at which point I would agree with you, they probably don't give two shits about us.
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And as I said, that changes nothing in terms of this debate.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405749 is a reply to message #405744] |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:31 |
And so you're comfortable with other people's hard work getting nowhere because they weren't there when XWIS went live and didn't get their a00 quickly enough. I know I wouldn't like that.
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I don't think that gives them the right to take control of Jelly's nicknames, no. I don't disagree at all that it's NOT very favorable to them though.
EDIT: forgot the most important word...
Dover: yeah, I probably should have used legal. If you look in a dictionary, the definition of fairness isn't the most specific one.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:38 |
The whole argument concerning nicknames is moot anyway; as soon as the issue of whether or not the pointsmod is mandatory comes into play, nicknames will no longer play a role in a server's prospective playerbase. It was obviously just extra ammunition for Spoony.
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I'll take this a surrender. I await your proposed terms.
Just kidding.
You're right on the first bit. I won't speculate as to Spoony's motives. You seem to be implying that this thread has been a waste of time, but personally I've learned plenty; One thing I have learned as a result of this thread is that there are some particularly patriotic individual members of Jelly's community that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near keyboards, and that there is actually quite a bit of widespread support for mandatory pointfix.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405756 is a reply to message #405549] |
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I liked where this debate was going! Please don't cop out!
I don't think Spoony was looking for ammunition for anything. No one's taking anything or foricbly changing anything, I'm simply trying to get a public forum for this topic available.
I agree that pointsfix will play a part, and that is one of Spoony's concerns, he is correct in that there is no top-page server with the pointsfix enabled currently, something he, as a personal advocate of the pointsfix, is unhappy with. If you note, however, that in his post he states that this is merely an example, it may be the worst one to bring up.
Let's replace it with the hypothetical situation that there were no marathon servers (or even more weirdly, no AOW servers) on the top page. That wouldn't be useful as an image to present to new players, who then get an experience that is wildly different to anything they expected, and will probably have the patience to find. Can we continue in that context? It's the same reason, in that there is no XXX enabled server in the top page listings.
Edit: The "procedure" being the process by which servers/communities get to the top of the listing (IE, the fact the list is sorted by server name by default on un-scripted new player's versions)
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405759 is a reply to message #405754] |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:42 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:38 |
The whole argument concerning nicknames is moot anyway; as soon as the issue of whether or not the pointsmod is mandatory comes into play, nicknames will no longer play a role in a server's prospective playerbase. It was obviously just extra ammunition for Spoony.
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I'll take this a surrender. I await your proposed terms.
Just kidding.
You're right on the first bit. I won't speculate as to Spoony's motives. You seem to be implying that this thread has been a waste of time, but personally I've learned plenty; One thing I have learned as a result of this thread is that there are some particularly patriotic individual members of Jelly's community that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near keyboards, and that there is actually quite a bit of widespread support for mandatory pointfix.
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Actually, there's been quite a few times I've hammered on Jelly until the cows came home. I haven't been a patriotic defender of Jelly for two years, believe me on that. My posts don't even represent my thoughts on the issue; I just thought I'd jump into the argument like everyone else.
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Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405767 is a reply to message #405756] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:56 |
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:43 |
Edit: The "procedure" being the process by which servers/communities get to the top of the listing (IE, the fact the list is sorted by server name by default on un-scripted new player's versions)
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Oh, well if you mean that, then that's already decided: servers will be arranged by playercount, therefore nickname will have no bearing on a server's playerbase. That's why I said Spoony was simply using that as ammunition: when the project this whole debate is about comes to fruition, the question of a00 nicknames will be entirely null, because all clients will be forced (by default) to see servers based on the total players in the server. If they chose to sort by nicknames, then that's entirely their own choice.
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Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405768 is a reply to message #405759] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 14:57 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:44 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:42 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:38 |
The whole argument concerning nicknames is moot anyway; as soon as the issue of whether or not the pointsmod is mandatory comes into play, nicknames will no longer play a role in a server's prospective playerbase. It was obviously just extra ammunition for Spoony.
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I'll take this a surrender. I await your proposed terms.
Just kidding.
You're right on the first bit. I won't speculate as to Spoony's motives. You seem to be implying that this thread has been a waste of time, but personally I've learned plenty; One thing I have learned as a result of this thread is that there are some particularly patriotic individual members of Jelly's community that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near keyboards, and that there is actually quite a bit of widespread support for mandatory pointfix.
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Actually, there's been quite a few times I've hammered on Jelly until the cows came home. I haven't been a patriotic defender of Jelly for two years, believe me on that. My posts don't even represent my thoughts on the issue; I just thought I'd jump into the argument like everyone else.
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I was refering specifically to Zell. Why would I want to keep you away from a keyboard? We might disagree on the logical validity of your arguement, but at least you're communicating it in a clear manner. Zell on the other hand puts the English language to shame.
Just to clear the mixup.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405770 is a reply to message #405768] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 15:02 |
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| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:57 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:44 |
| Dover wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:42 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 14:38 |
The whole argument concerning nicknames is moot anyway; as soon as the issue of whether or not the pointsmod is mandatory comes into play, nicknames will no longer play a role in a server's prospective playerbase. It was obviously just extra ammunition for Spoony.
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I'll take this a surrender. I await your proposed terms.
Just kidding.
You're right on the first bit. I won't speculate as to Spoony's motives. You seem to be implying that this thread has been a waste of time, but personally I've learned plenty; One thing I have learned as a result of this thread is that there are some particularly patriotic individual members of Jelly's community that shouldn't be allowed anywhere near keyboards, and that there is actually quite a bit of widespread support for mandatory pointfix.
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Actually, there's been quite a few times I've hammered on Jelly until the cows came home. I haven't been a patriotic defender of Jelly for two years, believe me on that. My posts don't even represent my thoughts on the issue; I just thought I'd jump into the argument like everyone else.
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I was refering specifically to Zell. Why would I want to keep you away from a keyboard? We might disagree on the logical validity of your arguement, but at least you're communicating it in a clear manner. Zell on the other hand puts the English language to shame.
Just to clear the mixup.
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Haha yeah I read it the first time. I'm fully aware of the logical validity of my post, but I'm simply arguing it in terms of the concrete legality.
My own thoughts on the situation:
- a00 nicknames: Personally I don't care as I've in general played on servers that actually have players (which of course actually helps this argument), but I do agree that it is unfair to new competition. But as far as I can see, there's not much to be done about it at this point; TT's listing changes should solve it.
- pointsmod: Hate it with a passion, but there's only one reason for this: I, in typical human fashion, am afraid of change. I have loved this game with the points system it has always had, and I do not think it should be changed this late in the game. However, I understand that it is in fact bugged and flawed. Now the question of whether I give a shit is a whole different story, albeit a short one: hell no.
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Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405772 is a reply to message #405767] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 15:03 |
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| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:56 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:43 |
Edit: The "procedure" being the process by which servers/communities get to the top of the listing (IE, the fact the list is sorted by server name by default on un-scripted new player's versions)
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Oh, well if you mean that, then that's already decided: servers will be arranged by playercount, therefore nickname will have no bearing on a server's playerbase. That's why I said Spoony was simply using that as ammunition: when the project this whole debate is about comes to fruition, the question of a00 nicknames will be entirely null, because all clients will be forced (by default) to see servers based on the total players in the server. If they chose to sort by nicknames, then that's entirely their own choice.
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In the (potentially) long meantime, why should this current setup continue? Changing this would be the matter of a few minutes work, and benefit many, and the game community as a whole, yet nothing is done. It's silly.
Moderator's point @ Zell, haven't you noticed some of your posts (which generally contained ad-hominem / insulting comments) have been removed? Stop making them!
Dover, stop responding to him at all please.
I am now going to bed (Yes, I do other things except moderate!). I'm also out for most of tommorow. You'll all have to behave yourselves (I'm posting this, so that you know that just because I've been hitting F5 on this for the last hour, and have suddenly stopped) does NOT mean I don't intend to carry on. Warnings will be issued to those who will be getting them tommorow. Please try to behave.
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405773 is a reply to message #405772] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 15:06 |
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Ethenal
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:03 |
| Ethenal wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 22:56 |
| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:43 |
Edit: The "procedure" being the process by which servers/communities get to the top of the listing (IE, the fact the list is sorted by server name by default on un-scripted new player's versions)
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Oh, well if you mean that, then that's already decided: servers will be arranged by playercount, therefore nickname will have no bearing on a server's playerbase. That's why I said Spoony was simply using that as ammunition: when the project this whole debate is about comes to fruition, the question of a00 nicknames will be entirely null, because all clients will be forced (by default) to see servers based on the total players in the server. If they chose to sort by nicknames, then that's entirely their own choice.
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In the (potentially) long meantime, why should this current setup continue? Changing this would be the matter of a few minutes work, and benefit many, and the game community as a whole, yet nothing is done. It's silly.
Moderator's point @ Zell, haven't you noticed some of your posts (which generally contained ad-hominem / insulting comments) have been removed? Stop making them!
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I only believe it shouldn't be changed if Jelly wishes to keep it the way it is, because they're his nicknames. If he decides to be charitable and helps out the rest of the community, then that's wonderful.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405776 is a reply to message #405549] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 15:09 |
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Hmm, I don't see why that's fair. Jelly has done well for himself, I agree, but in a situation where we have to manage ourselves (IE, neither XWIS nor EA care) I think a little more maturity on his part would be nice. The fact he's willing to discuss, albeit in private, is good. I would like the contents of that discussion (bar passwords etc) in the public domain though.
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| R315r4z0r wrote on Mon, 11 October 2010 15:35 |
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| Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405780 is a reply to message #405776] |
Tue, 06 October 2009 15:11 |
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Ethenal
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| CarrierII wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:09 |
Hmm, I don't see why that's fair. Jelly has done well for himself, I agree, but in a situation where we have to manage ourselves (IE, neither XWIS nor EA care) I think a little more maturity on his part would be nice. The fact he's willing to discuss, albeit in private, is good. I would like the contents of that discussion (bar passwords etc) in the public domain though.
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And that's where the age old quote comes in: life isn't fair. It's always the clever one getting there first, and then the rest slamming him/her for it; in reality, they're just pissed they didn't think of it first. Hell, in most cases it's only fair because of dumb luck that the person who got there first happens to have a heart.
| -TLS-DJ-EYE-K wrote on Mon, 18 March 2013 07:29 |
Instead of showing us that u aren't more inteligent than a Toast, maybe you should start becomming good in renegade
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