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Wed, 26 May 2004 05:20

Cypher [PCNC]
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You could model the Solar system but it would be incomplete, consider this, a rogue comet coming from outside the solar system would not be modeled, but coming in on the right trajectory it could have quite an impact on Earth.

One thing that does intrigue me is Asimov's theory of Psychohistory, esentially taking social and historical trends you could create a model of the general, not specific future of humanity. This is goverened by certain laws, the knowledge of the prediction would change it's course, there are no major social or technological changes. The final law is that the subject remains constant, two things visited in his books ar that psychohistory cannot deal with alien species as their social trends are unknown. The other is that a major change in evolution, such as a mutant with telepathic abilities being born, would destroy the prediction. The only real use is that a smnall group could use the prediction to make instrumental changes in order to create the prferred future. Given how unwieldy this science would be it would be virtually impossible to use it for non-altruistic reasons.

Ah damn, didn't see you posting that.

Anyway, what Harry Saldon tried to do was create a controllable environment. Whereas the rest of the old Empire crumbled and even the capital planet of it, once an industrial monolith, has "degraded" into a backwards rural world (seemingly without any importance), the protected planet, the Foundation, that he created continued to evolve based on Saldon's predictions and guidance of his Psychohistorical calculations, or so they thought.
Until the Mule came and plunged them as well, into war. The Mule, however, was not of the Foundation, cause his creation would have been, in theory at least, predictable by the Psychohistory. The Mule was from a completly different planet; the one where they all co-existed with their environment, all people gifted with telekinetic and telepathic powers (the one where that girldfriend of that senator came from - you know... when they had sex, he felt as if the entire planet was experiencing their joy). He was an outcast of that world, since he wasn't able to procreate, hence his name.... He came to the Foundation.

The Other Foundation, or the Second Foundation, I don't remember the exact name of it, was a secret society, an Illuminati like entity, that was based on that once capital world. They were the decendants of Harry's daughter/niece/aid (I don't remember what she was to him), who herself had mental powers (Harry had his own, the fact that he was able to create Psychohistory shows that his mind was more evolved than most humans) and her mission was to find more people like her, to create that second foundation, to regulate and manipulate events to enforce Saldon's Psychohistory predictions of the first Foundation.

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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Tue, 05 August 2003 12:50
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: djlaptop on Wed, 06 August 2003 10:14
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Walrus on Thu, 07 August 2003 11:37
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Thu, 07 August 2003 11:59
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Infinint on Thu, 07 August 2003 12:18
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheMouse on Thu, 07 August 2003 16:24
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Thu, 07 August 2003 20:03
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: warranto on Thu, 07 August 2003 20:51
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: boma57 on Thu, 07 August 2003 21:07
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Fri, 08 August 2003 13:13
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheMouse on Fri, 08 August 2003 13:21
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 09 August 2003 02:26
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Tue, 25 May 2004 13:34
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Infinint on Tue, 25 May 2004 13:51
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Tue, 25 May 2004 13:52
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: IRON FART on Tue, 25 May 2004 15:22
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: WNxTilly on Wed, 26 May 2004 02:44
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Wed, 26 May 2004 03:03
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Cypher [PCNC] on Wed, 26 May 2004 05:10
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Cypher [PCNC] on Wed, 26 May 2004 05:20
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Wed, 26 May 2004 08:31
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Cypher [PCNC] on Wed, 26 May 2004 09:11
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Wed, 26 May 2004 15:24
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 26 May 2004 17:48
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: prox on Wed, 26 May 2004 18:17
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 26 May 2004 18:48
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Thu, 27 May 2004 05:02
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: WNxTilly on Thu, 27 May 2004 07:32
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Phoenix - Aeon on Thu, 27 May 2004 15:22
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Mon, 19 July 2004 11:02
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: mrpirate on Mon, 19 July 2004 20:42
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: spreegem on Mon, 19 July 2004 20:46
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Tue, 20 July 2004 06:56
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Tue, 20 July 2004 09:06
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: drunkill on Wed, 21 July 2004 05:23
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Wed, 21 July 2004 12:57
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 21 July 2004 13:10
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: spreegem on Wed, 21 July 2004 19:43
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: drunkill on Thu, 22 July 2004 00:44
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Dan on Thu, 22 July 2004 08:38
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Fri, 23 July 2004 18:20
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Fri, 23 July 2004 18:26
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sat, 24 July 2004 06:45
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 24 July 2004 09:08
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: SuperFlyingEngi on Sat, 24 July 2004 10:19
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:21
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:30
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:41
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: mrpirate on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:50
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Sat, 24 July 2004 17:56
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: kopaka649 on Sun, 25 July 2004 08:57
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Sun, 25 July 2004 10:11
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Chrono945 on Tue, 27 July 2004 14:22
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Wed, 28 July 2004 11:28
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Wed, 28 July 2004 12:28
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Dan on Wed, 28 July 2004 13:02
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: SuperFlyingEngi on Wed, 28 July 2004 17:13
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		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Wed, 28 July 2004 19:03
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: TheGunrun on Thu, 29 July 2004 08:25
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Thu, 29 July 2004 11:55
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Demolition man on Thu, 29 July 2004 12:07
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Anonymous on Fri, 30 July 2004 03:09
		Time Travel and other stuff. By: Demolition man on Fri, 30 July 2004 03:31
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