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Fri, 26 March 2004 09:22

KIRBY098
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We pray to them, yes.. but we don't treat them as Gods. Just to clarify that point.

As for the creator being incompetent, nothing to worry about there. Humans on the other hand...

Regarding point one:

Why? Does the Bible call for this? Did Jesus? Then why do it? They are DEAD, and no different than any other dead human. If the son of god didn't tell you to institute a hierarchy, and install men in between him and you, then why do you believe that this method is correct? Surely you must realize now after these scandals, that having intercessors of human nature is flawed because humans are flawed.

Romans 8
33Who will bring any charge against those whom God has chosen? It is God who justifies. 34Who is he that condemns? Christ Jesus, who died � more than that, who was raised to life � is at the right hand of God and is also interceding for us. 35Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall trouble or hardship or persecution or famine or nakedness or danger or sword?

Show me where it says MARY or any other human intercedes on our behalf through prayer? And why bother when you could go directly to the son of god? Do the humans have more leverage with him? I think not. This practice is the result of flawed human logic, and rationalization. Not scripture.

Point two:

The competent creator chose competent humans to relate his messages. End result is a relevant, competent and reliable message. Good thing Noah was competent. Same goes for the Apostles. Do you really think God would chose someone, and then not make sure what he wrote was EXACTLY what he wanted in his scriptures? Divine inspiration, and guidance are real, and relevant.

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