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Re: My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. [message #46545]

Thu, 11 September 2003 09:30

Dante
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Xtrm2Matt

My only concerns in 'RenGuard' are:

A) What it scans. What SPECIFIC Directorie(s) does it scan, and what files.

B) CD Keys. How can we trust 'RenGuard' that it won't steal any serials we have on our PC's? What do we do.. just take Crimson's, mac's or someone else's word for it? HaH! Anyone can say it doesn't when it does, so how can we trust you in this?

C) Botnets. I have seen Botnet-Scripts binded into applications, and it works. How can we trust that you won't do the same? (With the rumors of Crimson's botnet on QuakeNet)

Really, without solid proof how can WE trust YOU? (The RenGuard team). I have often seen Crimson refer to herself as the "Community Leader", which she isn't because no-one is the "Community Leader", but people may believe this is true. Some people will also believe anything she would say. If she said (for example) that Final-Renegade (the cheat program) had a Trojan in (which both Crimson & Blazer said), which for the records, IT HASN'T / DIDN'T, people believed that..

When i asked people in #n00bstories for Logs of their Anti Virus Scanner, or Firewall showing "Final-Renegade.exe" as a Virus, or accessing the internet, the conversation went something like this:

Xtrm2Matt: has anyone got any proof of Final-Renegade being a trojan?
Nick1: yes
Nick2: yes
Nick3: yes
Nick4: yes
Nick5: yes
Xtrm2Matt: show me the logs of your scanners then
Nick1: Oh.. don't have them
Nick2: deleted them
Nick3: what logs?
Nick4: i was lieing
Nick5: Ummm, i don't have logs, it doesn't save them

..You get my point?

Now until the RenGuard team can proove that it doesn't scan for CD-Keys.. install a Botnet onto your PC.. make your PC turn into Windows ME.. make your Monitor blow up.. or anything like that,

so basically, the bottom line is.. HOW CAN WE TRUST THIS APPLICATION?

- Matt

Matt, i have made it a personal effort to ensure the security of this app and system, and that it does valid things, i can read the language it is written in, and i can understand what it is doing, and will be evaluating the source code upon completion when this is done, and before it is release.

now, fl00d3d, before you go all "stupid" on what i just said.
i have many apps running throughout this Renegade community RIGHT NOW, and have built the trust of the players as my software is clean and legit. So don't even go to "well if you say it is good, should that be enough?" type thing.

Why no beta "here is a head start on how to go around our app"
Why no source "here is the methods we use so you can go around the app"

btw, the idea of the ant-cheat mod was great, but don't ever confuse a .pkg file compiled of given resources from a gaming company as a program, this just goes to show, you know about as much about what you are talking about as i know who you are...

RenEvo

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		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Xtrm2Matt on Thu, 11 September 2003 08:53
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Blazer on Thu, 11 September 2003 09:09
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: fl00d3d on Thu, 11 September 2003 09:15
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Majiin Vegeta on Thu, 11 September 2003 09:17
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Dante on Thu, 11 September 2003 09:26
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: djlaptop on Thu, 11 September 2003 09:28
		Re: My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Dante on Thu, 11 September 2003 09:30
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: supernuub on Thu, 11 September 2003 10:08
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: K9Trooper on Thu, 11 September 2003 10:13
		Re: My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: K9Trooper on Thu, 11 September 2003 10:25
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Xtrm2Matt on Thu, 11 September 2003 12:21
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: NoX on Thu, 11 September 2003 14:26
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: dufis791 on Thu, 11 September 2003 15:30
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Dante on Thu, 11 September 2003 15:35
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: dufis791 on Thu, 11 September 2003 15:38
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: fl00d3d on Fri, 12 September 2003 04:43
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: fl00d3d on Fri, 12 September 2003 04:50
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Xtrm2Matt on Fri, 12 September 2003 08:28
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Blazer on Fri, 12 September 2003 10:42
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		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Crimson on Sat, 13 September 2003 22:49
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: TheMouse on Sat, 13 September 2003 23:03
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Iris2003 on Sat, 13 September 2003 23:04
		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Crimson on Sat, 13 September 2003 23:11
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		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: warranto on Sat, 13 September 2003 23:14
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		My personal concerns, and opinions about 'RenGuard'. By: Blazer on Sun, 14 September 2003 21:22
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