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Mon, 25 July 2011 16:51

Caveman
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EaZiE wrote on Tue, 26 July 2011 00:21

This has been a fun merry go round, but I'm afraid I'm hopping off. Everything has been explained, clear as day and still it is not understood.

The thing with these debates is, nobody ever wins. We could give our reason, to which you would just raise more questions. I like you cave, I really do but just reflect on how the debating in this thread is going. You are standing your ground, for that I can not fault you. But there will be no conclusion because you and X simply won't agree. You both have a certain disliking and lack of respect for one another.

Now see how this would have a negative impact on any debating at a senior moderation level. Decisions would not be made, and when they were by the adminastrive team, and I say that because the admins discuss things without me on some cases, you would dig your heels in and stand there stating every possible reason why we shouldn't.

Voicing your opinion, fair enough they take that on board. When a decision is made though if you can't back it up and just roll with it, how can you work as part of a team? How damaging is it to a team when senior members appear to not be in control by constant arguing when decisions have to be made? It is just not effective.

The fact is Xpert isn't going to set in stone why you were removed, but you should have already had a good idea. You can say 'you can't run a comunity like that' when it comes to making decisions but the fact is we are and have been for some time, maybe part of the reason Atomix is still one of the most active ren servers and didn't die off like so many others.

You're a great mod cave, and a good guy. But your inabiliy to show a united front when senior decisions are made is what contributed to this situation.

Yes I have agreed with you on ocassions and if you were to pull logs I openly admit that. The difference is whilst I agree privately with your concerns, I am thinking about the greater picture. What brings the least distruption to the community, could it benefit the community, what risk is involved? My personal feelings are full of emotion and to make effective decisions we need to take the emotion out of it. If I don't neccessarily think a certain path is the best path I will voice my opinion, but I will also back whatever decision is made. This is something you just don't seem willing to do and believe me, it it more beneficial than arguing a debate out for 4 weeks.

Like I said, I'm hopping off of this merry go round so you guys can debate for as long as you want about what could, should, would have been. The fact is this is our reality and all that is irrelevant so I am unwilling to contribute to it any longer. I'd rather put my time into something constructive.

Bob, I know you don't want me to go into this with you, you'd prefer to let it die. So I will try my best.

I understand that you will back whatever decision the community makes, for that I respect you, I always have however as you know its not the community decision, its X's. That's the key point im trying to make.

This community isn't alive because of X and how he runs it, its alive because of the other Admins/S'Mods. If you were to take these away Atomix would die very quickly.

If the mods agree on what X wants because its what we want then I have no problem with accepting that (if its something I don't personally agree with, like removing hourglass from rotation, we voted, community wanted it out I wanted it in and I never moaned or dug my heels in) however if that community is either disagreeing privately or just accepting it cos X is the man then I will dig my heels in because that's the right thing to do. Yes you agree with me and you're thinking bout the bigger picture, which is if you dont agree with him he'll have a fit. He is like a child with a toy.

This all started because I got removed for a bogus reason, I don't appreciate being treated like im stupid. I've said if he wants to remove me, remove me but man up and tell me why not 'AFK'

The only things i've dug my heels into is the time when it was 3 UK mods to mod the server 24/7 and X despite being told time and time again we either need more S'Mods (with proper access) or for the current Smods/admins to actually be here because they were AFK. (ironic this?) He had a power trip and pulled out the admin card. Im sure you remember the times im speaking about.

Oh and the time when X was unbanning any dick that said I R SORRY I NO CHEAT NO MORE. Because he wanted player count more then actual decent players.. I was told privately by dippy to drop the argument and yes as much as I disliked doing so I did.

Any other time except from them two occasions I 'rolled with the flow' and got on with what X wanted.

CarrierII wrote

BLUEHTHEN YOU AR NOT JUST A BIG CHEATAS AND YOU THE BIG HEAD JUST YOU USE FLY H4X FUCK YOU BIG CHEATAS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD YOU WANT I WRAUGHT THIS YOUR CHEATZ IS BAD HEY IS 1 YEAR YOUR PROMESS A FLY HAX IN MULTIPLAYER AND IS DONT JUST TROOPRM02 I TELL IT ALL WHO REPLYER IN THIS FORUM YOU CHEATZ

Please don't make me type something like that again, not using puntuation is annoying.

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