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Re: Questions I would like to pose to athiests [message #445992 is a reply to message #445990] Wed, 20 April 2011 18:26 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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shippo wrote on Wed, 20 April 2011 16:55

(question refrased)
Creationists believe: in the begining was God, and he created the univers, our world, ect.

you've said you have no evidence for this, so if you want to assert that some entity did create the universe, it's an enormous jump from there to saying you know the first thing about that entity (using the word "he", for example)

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as Evolutionists what do you believe was the begining of the univers? (I'm going somewere with this)

i don't have the faintest idea, but at least i won't pretend i do.

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Yes

if a scientist studied biology and came up with conclusions unflattering to The Theory of Evolution you would still consider him/her to be a "valid" scientist right?

of course.


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I was talking with my mom (she likes to study the Bible indeepth)
she was saying that back then in those times, the culture had arranged marrages, and the men were the head of the house hold and were required to work and provide for their house holds, make all decisions, and were generaly responsible for them. the law in Dureronomy was more of a protection for the woman and a punishment for the man.

i expect if you had told her that the verse came from the Quran rather than the bible, her response would not be so polite.

forcing the victim of a violent sexual assault to marry her attacker is for her protection? no, putting the bastard in prison would be for her protection, and the protection of other women. punishment for the man? no, it's barely a punishment at all; it effectively means that a man can pick a wife just by raping her. it's a punishment for the woman. that's literally what it is. it is a punishment for the victim of a violent sexual assault; it makes her situation even worse. without any regard for what she wants for her future, whether she wants to get married at all or if she likes some other man, she's forced to marry a violent sexual predator.

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back then the concept of marrage was way different than what it has become today. the man was forced to pay the father 50 sheckls (large sum) and he had to marry her and was forced to take care of and provide for here as long as he lived.

the concept of marriage certainly is different. the bible approves of polygamy, for example; and it clearly views women as something like the property of men. think about that when you say the rapist has to look after her; you might as well say he's got to look after his livestock.

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Do you know who the Jews for Jesus are? if you don't they are jews who have become christians but they know all the history and culture of the jews and the old testament. they also answer question people have about things, like this question you gave. if you like I can im the email address of one of them to you.

whatever. christianity may have made a bad choice in deciding to keep the barbarism and brutality of the Old Testament when establishing itself as a religion.

can i press you for an answer about the ten commandments? you said the rape law is only for the israelites, doesn't that apply to the ten commandments then?

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I'm asking about them in general in your opinion why do you believe your morals or values are right? what is your basis for saying your morals are "good" and other things are "bad"

i'd rather stay specific than go general if it's all the same with you. we were talking about a law that says the victim of a violent sexual assault has to marry her attacker, which adds to the trauma of the crime by destroying her future. i've unequivocally condemned this as primitive barbarism; you've defended it. i don't think i'm the one with the explaining to do.


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