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Re: I was New To Renegade, And I Was Also Banned And I Do Not Understand? [message #442793 is a reply to message #290531]

Sun, 16 January 2011 11:43

Pyr0man1c
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Just a few quotes-

Cat998 wrote on Mon, 15 October 2007 08:28

It would be a good start for you to learn how to write sentences before you play Renegade.

trooprm02 wrote on Fri, 26 October 2007 11:02

I think who say, "OMG 3 YEAR BUMP??!?! BANNZNZNZOOROR!!!!", need some RL help, who the fuck cares..

LOL
Is this some sort of joke?
You have posted this in the wrong section and in a topic which was about... well you should have created a topic here: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=thread&frm_id=7&rid=24615
What message did you get and when? Can you post a screenshot? (by pressing "prt sc" on your keyboard when you get the message saying your banned)
Where you banned from a server or can't you see the game server list?

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

Quotes

v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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