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Re: New TT-server test event! [message #442530 is a reply to message #442467]

Wed, 12 January 2011 11:26

Pyr0man1c
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Can't make it, too busy.

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

[Updated on: Sun, 16 January 2011 09:29]

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		New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Tue, 11 January 2011 14:33
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Prulez on Tue, 11 January 2011 14:54
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Pyr0man1c on Wed, 12 January 2011 11:26
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Hitman on Tue, 11 January 2011 15:12
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Tue, 11 January 2011 15:18
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Omar007 on Tue, 11 January 2011 15:25
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Dethdeath on Tue, 11 January 2011 17:17
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: liquidv2 on Tue, 11 January 2011 20:02
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: havoc9826 on Tue, 11 January 2011 23:47
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Caveman on Wed, 12 January 2011 02:11
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Goztow on Wed, 12 January 2011 03:46
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: _SSnipe_ on Wed, 12 January 2011 03:58
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Goztow on Wed, 12 January 2011 04:06
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Caveman on Wed, 12 January 2011 04:22
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: F1r3st0rm on Wed, 12 January 2011 11:51
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Hypnos on Thu, 13 January 2011 00:54
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Caveman on Thu, 13 January 2011 02:06
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: z310 on Wed, 12 January 2011 05:29
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: dippy on Wed, 12 January 2011 05:41
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Deadpikle on Wed, 12 January 2011 08:01
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Hitman on Wed, 12 January 2011 10:15
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Deadpikle on Wed, 12 January 2011 11:51
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Goztow on Wed, 12 January 2011 12:20
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Gohax on Fri, 14 January 2011 04:45
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Crimson on Fri, 14 January 2011 04:57
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		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Stefan on Fri, 14 January 2011 10:11
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: renohol on Fri, 14 January 2011 11:02
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 14 January 2011 13:54
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sun, 16 January 2011 07:27
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Spoony on Sun, 16 January 2011 07:33
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Deadpikle on Sun, 16 January 2011 10:39
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sun, 16 January 2011 15:16
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: raven on Sun, 16 January 2011 20:24
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 January 2011 03:23
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Deadpikle on Mon, 17 January 2011 05:02
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 January 2011 06:57
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Prulez on Mon, 17 January 2011 08:23
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: raven on Mon, 17 January 2011 17:47
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Omar007 on Sun, 16 January 2011 16:08
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Spyder on Sun, 16 January 2011 16:27
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: StealthEye on Sun, 16 January 2011 16:40
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: JeepRubi on Wed, 19 January 2011 21:38
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Xpert on Sun, 16 January 2011 16:54
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: RainXc on Mon, 17 January 2011 07:39
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Creed3020 on Mon, 17 January 2011 08:44
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 January 2011 08:51
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: CarrierII on Mon, 17 January 2011 09:55
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: [SiN]StonerMk2 on Mon, 17 January 2011 11:22
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: HaTe on Mon, 17 January 2011 17:39
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Spyder on Mon, 17 January 2011 12:13
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Hitman on Thu, 20 January 2011 05:11
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: halo2pac on Thu, 20 January 2011 21:08
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Hitman on Fri, 21 January 2011 06:49
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: nikki6ixx on Thu, 20 January 2011 23:35
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: CarrierII on Fri, 21 January 2011 12:14
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: Starbuzzz on Fri, 21 January 2011 22:56
		Re: New TT-server test event! By: EmpireJBL on Mon, 14 February 2011 11:05

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