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Re: BHS Ladder [message #438557 is a reply to message #438546] Fri, 29 October 2010 05:23 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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trooprm02 wrote on Thu, 28 October 2010 22:54

I think everyone is forgetting a very important point...whats the purpose of a ladder? To increase competition. Who would be better to design such a system than those who play at the HIGHEST competitive level themselves? Letting public server players decide how a central ladder for this game would work, is like letting the obese decide who competes in the olympics......

so you're not at all in favour of it being 'democratically' decided, is what you're saying?

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And Spoony, I think your putting me into the wrong time frame lol because I was there when (not just him but yah) soul "disagreed" with you when you wanted to change some rules.

uh no, i'm talking about when he pointpushed with photoshopped screenshots, lying to everyone (including his own clan) in the process, and i was the only person who thought he should be punished for it. everyone else at clanwars (give or take maybe 2 people) thought he should be let off because he played twice as much as everyone else.

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no one can argue rationally that the original points were intended

which is to say that the overwhelming majority of people who've weighed in on the pointsfix debates were not doing so rationally.

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i'm not saying that either; what i am saying is that despite it being bugged it might be the reason renegade is still around or alive and kicking

good lord

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it allows for more flexibility as far as games go, even though it's unfair and flawed

"flexibility" means half the tactics available don't work because the enemy gets more points defending against them than you get by using them to attack, does it? but to compensate for all these unfeasible ways to play, you have the option of just shooting tanks with a sniper all game, achieving absolutely nothing but getting an extraordinary amount of points for doing so.

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if it were such a problem people would have quit playing it years ago but they've played on

shall i repeat one of the things i kept saying about how the point bug affected clanwars? it made some maps so unfair that players like simpee would just leave at the beginning if they got the bad side. they'd pretend it wasn't because they got the bad side, but you always knew it was. eventually it got so bad that i had to make new rules to stop them doing it, and suddenly they didn't have to leave anymore.

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no, what i kept saying was i thought you were a douche for putting the pointmod in clanwars despite the fact that seemingly 90% of your players didn't want it

that just shows how stupid you were at the time, because it never occurred to you to call those "90%" douches for not even managing to bother setting up a league for anybody at all.

perhaps you also remember that i listed everyone who was outraged at the thought of the game being fairer; it was no coincidence that every single one of them had a track record of cheating, pointpushing, rulebreaking, dishonesty etc - something i kept pointing out to you over and over again and i couldn't seem to get you to care about. you think a cheater and compulsive liar like robo's opinion on how a league should be run is worth as much as mine? if you do, please say so and have done with it

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which, you had every right in the world to do, it's your league
you wanted the game to be more balanced and fair

yes, and they didn't

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they could have gone somewhere else but they trust and stand by you - to them and much of renegade there is no clanwars now without Spoony

uh? how many more times do i need to repeat what they actually did? they didn't trust or stand by me, they were so angry at not getting their way (despite me giving them every opportunity to actually explain WHY YOU SHOULD GET POINTS FOR NO REASON AT ALL, and them catastrophically failing in every debate thread) - that they actively tried to sabotage the league through a campaign of lies, rigged polls and manipulation. for example, they went secretly to the clanwars server owners and totally lied about what was going on in the forums at the time to get them to change the server settings.

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clanwars doesn't have to be a democracy

indeed, and the people you were so staunchly siding with didn't want it to be a democracy either, though unlike me they lied to you and said they did. again, perhaps you missed people like simpee and karmai saying whose opinions count and whose don't, depending on how good you are - and, get this, simpee saying whiskey's vote shouldn't count because he happened to agree with spoony.

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but people can easily say that you're a douche for ignoring your player base

sure, if they want to lie. i didn't ignore my player base, it's an absurd and desperate lie to say i did. i went to extraordinary lengths to encourage debate on the subject. the "player base" you're talking about, which is another euphemism for a small number of cheaters and rulebreakers and compulsive liars - ignored me.

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instead of making the game more fun for it and making decision that please it

ah, i see the problem. you think i should make decisions that please people who don't want the game to be fair. well, as long as we disagree on that we won't agree on much else either.

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saying i support them (clear and simpee) getting the pointmod removed from renegade is a load of shit lol

saying you supported the campaign of lies and manipulation by a group of cheaters to subvert and sabotage someone else's community because they were angry at not getting their way in that community is a simple description of the facts.

it all boiled down a question of whether an individual server/league/whatever is entitled to choose in its own way whether to use the pointsfix or not, and make no mistake, you weren't on the right side. while these cheaters were sabotaging a community because they were furious at the decisions not being made by THEM ALONE, your entire commentary on the situation was telling me that i should do what this small number of cheaters and pointpushers demanded. honestly, i hope you realise how much of a fucking retard you were being at the time

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i don't think they went out of their way to get people to avoid the TT ladder, one of them made a post saying Everyone forget about this shit it's Spoony and he's stubborn and the ladder is bullshit don't even worry about it

why do you keep using these euphemisms? they posted a huge list of accusations against me, most of which would be worse than cheating if they were true - and every one of which they were knowingly lying about. why do you say "they said spoony was stubborn"?

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that's hardly leading a rebellion like you're describing it to be

it's true that their attempt to sabotage the TT ladder didn't get as far as their earlier attempt to sabotage the clanwars ladder IN EXACTLY THE SAME WAY FOR EXACTLY THE SAME REASON.

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