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Re: Catholic adoption agencies and homosexuality [message #430700 is a reply to message #430698] Mon, 14 June 2010 07:56 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
Starbuzzz
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imo, I don't see how how one parent being a male has to do anything with imparting atrributes to a child. My uncle bought a bicyle to my cousin at an early age and he learned how to ride it. Now he has his own motorbike. On the other hand, my dad didn't buy me a bicyle and I grew up without knowing how to ride a bicyle. It wasn't until last year I had to buy my own bicyle and learned to ride it.

Now what did the male gender of my dad and my uncle have to do with anything here while it was simply their mindset that made them to buy or not buy their kid a bicycle?

Anyway, I see this whole deal as another feeble attempt by the homophobes citing vague generalizations in an attempt to stop people from doing what they object to. This seems just as absurd as the "sanctity of marriage" drivel they came up with to stop same-sex marriages.

Altzan wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 21:40


Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 03:25

It's crazy what religious indoctrination can do to a person...it makes them absolutely sure that they are right. I have the luxury of knowing what it feels like i.e, having "faith."


The irony seeps off of this... seeing as how you speak in the air of one who knows he is right.
I'm not sure how "being absolutely sure they are right" is better the second time around rather than the first.


Way to miss the point. I speak of one who now understands the basic irrefutable premise that I turned out to be christian only because I was born into a christian home and was raised up with the christian upbringing (read my first post in this thread about religious brainwashing). And I can see clearly now that if I were born into a hindu family, I would be spouting hindu myths just as I would be spouting islamic dogma if I were born into a muslim family.

So nice try with the claim that I am "absolutely sure the second time around" because that is not the case. I have a billion more questions now because I am now at the point where I was in my childhood before my christian parents and sunday school had the chance to plant any bullshit stories into my mind.

Altzan wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 21:40

What do you mean by "tyranny of the majority"?


Why is there even a debate on homosexual rights? Because the majority object to it.

The fact that I cannot be openly atheist just because my entire family is christian is another example. Just yesterday, the son-of-a-bitch that I have for a father told me over the phone while discussing something unrelated that "you are fucked because you choose to be an atheist and questioned christianity." He thinks I am some sort of criminal for being atheist.

It's the same for homosexuals in this country and elsewhere. The fact they cannot do whatever they want just because the majority of Altzans object to it on the basis of a deep whine.

Altzan wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 21:40

Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 03:25

I wonder what makes you think atheists are going to cram such topics to a "child" in the first place?


Resentment?
I'm sure plenty of atheists feel hostile to the religious, and try to ensure that their children are never fooled by such things.


We don't resent the "religious" but certainly do so to religion. There's a huge difference.

besides you missed the point. Discussing the theories of human origins is an inappropriate topic to a young child. And look what is done in sunday schools...by the age of 10, the myths are firmly impressed upon them. My brother thinks there is big man sitting with a feather pen and a big book on a giant judge's chair. He is going to turn 11 next month.

so yes, I absolutely resent the fact that little children are taught biblical mythologies like as if they are facts. Religion has just labeled itself to be true without any evidence to back it up.

And finally, you whine about atheists trying to "ensure that their children are never fooled by such things" (give me a good reason as to why they should be fooled by religion) when you christians go to such great lengths to ensure that your child is not impressed by any religion other than your own.

Altzan wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 21:40

Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 03:25

And you cannot have "faith" if you take away childhood brainwashing.


Then how do people who've never been religious all their life hear the message and study it, and decide to become Christians? That's not childhood brainwashing.


Are you serious?

How about telling your children about religion when they are mature enough to actually think on their own and come to a conclusion using their own judgment? Telling a 8 year old is just brainwashing since kids can be easily fooled.

Altzan wrote on Sun, 13 June 2010 21:40

Starbuzzz wrote on Thu, 10 June 2010 03:25

How did someone challenging your beliefs obstruct and hinder you from practising your faith?


I'd think this was obvious.


It isn't.


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