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Thu, 20 May 2010 10:50

Pyr0man1c
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Trojan wrote on Tue, 18 May 2010 14:03

0x90 is seriously the Osama Bin Laden of renegade.

He secretly works for Crimson to screw up the community and then make her look like the hero?

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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v00d00

A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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		Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Mon, 10 May 2010 23:33
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Tue, 11 May 2010 00:00
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Tue, 11 May 2010 09:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Hex on Tue, 11 May 2010 12:07
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Omar007 on Tue, 11 May 2010 03:10
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: havoc9826 on Tue, 11 May 2010 08:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Tue, 11 May 2010 12:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Tue, 11 May 2010 09:56
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Caveman on Tue, 11 May 2010 10:28
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: F1r3st0rm on Tue, 11 May 2010 12:38
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: slosha on Tue, 11 May 2010 21:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Tue, 11 May 2010 23:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Wed, 12 May 2010 14:18
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: zeratul on Wed, 12 May 2010 15:03
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Wed, 12 May 2010 16:40
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Wed, 12 May 2010 18:50
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Wed, 12 May 2010 19:59
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Wed, 12 May 2010 20:18
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Thu, 13 May 2010 01:33
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Thu, 13 May 2010 02:51
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:30
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Thu, 13 May 2010 07:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:55
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Thu, 13 May 2010 01:28
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Goztow on Thu, 13 May 2010 04:36
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 06:03
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Hex on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:17
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:37
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Hex on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:40
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Tiesto on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:26
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Thu, 13 May 2010 05:46
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Thu, 13 May 2010 17:31
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Fri, 14 May 2010 01:12
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Thu, 13 May 2010 06:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 06:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 09:21
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Thu, 13 May 2010 09:32
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 09:57
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 10:08
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 10:51
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 11:22
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 11:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 16:05
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Thu, 13 May 2010 17:59
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: R315r4z0r on Thu, 13 May 2010 18:59
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 01:47
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: masterkna on Thu, 13 May 2010 10:21
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Thu, 13 May 2010 12:04
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sir Kane on Thu, 13 May 2010 13:12
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Tiesto on Thu, 13 May 2010 15:32
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Dover on Thu, 13 May 2010 18:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 04:02
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 05:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Fri, 14 May 2010 03:49
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 05:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 06:07
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Fri, 14 May 2010 08:45
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 13:05
		Bashing Spoony By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 14 May 2010 14:50
		Re: Bashing Spoony By: Spoony on Fri, 14 May 2010 18:33
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Fri, 14 May 2010 15:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 14 May 2010 15:29
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Fri, 14 May 2010 15:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 14 May 2010 16:27
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Rocko on Fri, 14 May 2010 17:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: T0RN on Fri, 14 May 2010 17:44
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Fri, 14 May 2010 20:48
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 15 May 2010 01:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:14
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 15 May 2010 03:54
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:19
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:46
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:55
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Sat, 15 May 2010 02:19
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:12
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:49
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: StealthEye on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:01
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:15
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:44
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:07
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Tunaman on Sun, 16 May 2010 16:13
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: StealthEye on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:02
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: StealthEye on Sat, 15 May 2010 04:43
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: snpr1101 on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:26
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:28
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Sat, 15 May 2010 05:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:18
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: CarrierII on Sat, 15 May 2010 06:27
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: luv2pb on Sun, 16 May 2010 12:09
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Sun, 16 May 2010 12:30
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sun, 16 May 2010 13:23
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sun, 16 May 2010 15:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sun, 16 May 2010 16:03
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Sun, 16 May 2010 16:09
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sun, 16 May 2010 16:30
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 May 2010 02:58
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Mon, 17 May 2010 04:51
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Mon, 17 May 2010 05:00
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Mon, 17 May 2010 09:15
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 May 2010 16:29
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 May 2010 17:01
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Mon, 17 May 2010 17:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Mon, 17 May 2010 23:31
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Kimb on Mon, 17 May 2010 23:34
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Tue, 18 May 2010 05:37
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Tue, 18 May 2010 10:24
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Tiesto on Sun, 16 May 2010 12:50
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Clark Kent on Sun, 16 May 2010 13:29
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 May 2010 01:29
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: nikki6ixx on Mon, 17 May 2010 12:24
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Mon, 17 May 2010 12:28
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: nikki6ixx on Mon, 17 May 2010 12:38
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Mon, 17 May 2010 13:01
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Hitman on Tue, 18 May 2010 06:24
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Jamie or NuneGa on Tue, 18 May 2010 06:40
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Tue, 18 May 2010 07:19
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Tue, 18 May 2010 08:05
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Trojan on Tue, 18 May 2010 12:03
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Pyr0man1c on Thu, 20 May 2010 10:50
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Thu, 20 May 2010 18:33
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: dr3w2 on Thu, 20 May 2010 18:44
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Pyr0man1c on Thu, 20 May 2010 23:06
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Thu, 20 May 2010 23:49
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Ethenal on Tue, 18 May 2010 13:05
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: reborn on Wed, 19 May 2010 09:13
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: raven on Fri, 21 May 2010 20:04
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 22 May 2010 02:06
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 22 May 2010 02:39
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 22 May 2010 03:05
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 22 May 2010 03:28
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 22 May 2010 04:03
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Reaver11 on Sat, 22 May 2010 03:51
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Sat, 22 May 2010 04:21
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 22 May 2010 04:31
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 22 May 2010 04:37
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Sat, 22 May 2010 04:44
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 22 May 2010 05:02
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: 0x90 on Sat, 22 May 2010 05:03
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		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sat, 22 May 2010 07:41
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Sat, 22 May 2010 18:00
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Spoony on Sun, 23 May 2010 21:50
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Tiesto on Mon, 24 May 2010 07:24
		Re: Jus wondering .. By: Sean on Mon, 24 May 2010 12:27
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