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Thu, 13 May 2010 18:59

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Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59

Oh, my.

What you said before was fucking stupid, but damn.

0x90 "has done nothing wrong".

...on the forum. Done nothing wrong on the forum. Of course when you take what I said out of context it looks stupid.

Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59

it's the (de facto) official forum for this game, and when you have someone who's done such an extraordinary amount of harm to the game, a little common sense is a good thing.

Yes, you're right. There needs to be some common sense usage here.

Common sense as in banning a cheater from a game in which he cheated. Cheating in the game goes against the rules and therefore a punishment is in order.

However, there is no common sense in banning the same guy from a forum for not breaking any rules at all.

I'm not the one being stupid here. Rules are made to protect people who want to play fairly, not punish the people who don't. The rule against cheating is to make it so people can enjoy a fair game. If you take that right away from the other players by cheating, then that is why you are then punished by being separated from them so you can't cause any more problems.

However, you can't cause the other people harm on the forum by using those same cheats that got you banned from the game. The forum is an entirely new dimension. So what if it is the forum for the game in question? You can't cause problems for the other people on the forum by using cheats designed for use in the game. That's why no punishment should be given on the forum unless a forum rule is broken, in which case that person then is causing problems for the other forum users and needs to be removed.

You don't punish people because you want to. You punish them to make sure everyone else can continue on in peace.

Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 14:58

I wish I understood why people say things as dumb as this. Of course it's my opinion; whose else were you expecting when you saw a post from 'Spoony'?

Ok, so how would you phrase it? You state an opinion, therefore it is your opinion. You rather I just say "that's an opinion?" Or rather I just say nothing at all? If the latter, then why make the point in the first place?

Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59

You think you know enough to say he "has done nothing wrong"...

I wouldn't have said anything if I didn't. Gozy said in one of the first few posts in this thread that he has yet to break any forum rules. From that and the creation of this very thread, I can infer that:
1. He cheats in Renegade.
2. Has not broken any forum rules as of yet.

You can ban him from Renegade for cheating. But banning him from the forum makes no sense at all.

Spoony wrote on Thu, 13 May 2010 20:59

this is, again, a remarkably stupid thing to say. Not as bollock-brained as saying 0x90 has done nothing wrong, and maybe not quite as thick as "the more cheats around the better", but still pretty dense. Who said "he should be banned for the sole reason that he made Spoony angry"? When did I ever indicate that making one person angry is justification for a ban?

I was generalizing. I wasn't specifically talking about what you said. I meant it as no body should be banned on the grounds that the person got someone else angry through unrelated issues. (Yes, unrelated. Because cheats that can be used in Renegade cannot be used on Renegade Forums)

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