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Re: Catholic adoption agencies and homosexuality [message #427038 is a reply to message #426879] Tue, 27 April 2010 20:55 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

Rulers are put in place by your god. A king's heart is like a river and your god turns it whatever way he wills it. He did afterall lead the murderous exodus gang cutting a wide swath of destruction and misery to ancient kingdoms. Plagues and all manner of natural catastrophes are direct actions of god. Let's not forget his ominopotence and omnipresence and how he always is watching every human on the planet 24/7 to get his notes down.


Yes, he did control many aspects of the events in the Old Testament. He isn't doing that now, though - not since Jesus' ascension. I don't see how the concept of "God isn't actively changing events today" is mindboggling.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

I was told god is watching your everymove and directly and indirectly interferes whenever possible. I guess you are going to challenge that too using the version you were taught with huh?


Of course... as I stated above. I'm "mind-boggled" that people still believe this.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

I was beaten all the time with the biblical justification that a parent who doesn't beat his child doesn't love him. With America and it's general anti-spanking mentality, no wonder that verse got thrown into the memoryhole. You probably wouldn't have heard of it anyway.


I'm wondering where the heck someone derived that silly rule from.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

Yeah, well sexuality is also highly pleasurable. That's natural too. It's no longer taboo to talk frankly about this stuff. So everyone has and should have the right to procreate as well as use their sexuality for recreational purposes in anyway possible.


*shrug*

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

1) there is zero proof of your rewards let alone your god


There's definitely plenty of evidence, that is undeniable. As for proof, that's obvious. There'd be a lot more Christians in there were proof.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

2) your entire motivation to do so is based on a feeble faith-based belief system cooked up by a certain eastern-mediterranean sea people who's ancient ancestor is a mesopotamian man by the name of abraham.


And an athiest's belief is based on an idea that the universe appeared by the means of some unknown force that cannot possibly be directed by an intelligent entity.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

frankly, I can't imagine anyone wanting to "take action in this life" based on such flimsy wishes. It cannot even be considered a gamble...atleast you kinda had some idea of what you were gonna get when you gamble. This is worse than that.


I'm surprised that you don't know, or remember, any details on what we're "gonna get". It seems far-fetched, but certainly not flimsy.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

But let me be clear and say I do not wish to intrude on the way you live your life...just saying why exactly I no longer live that way with the reasons above.


I'm willing to respect that, but the rest of your post fatally contradicts this.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

you are saying humans got on the planet and went directly to worshipping the supernautral beings? That defies logic and also comes to denying history.


I believe in the biblical account... science's version of older events is no more reliable than any other historical idea, even the Bible's.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

Altzan wrote on Sun, 25 April 2010 21:41

and man did NOT just imagine it, because it is impossible to create an idea without prior influences.

Are you serious? Sometimes, I feel glad that a polytheistic religion such a hinduism is going strong today...just for existing as a living reminder as to past beliefs. The fact that animals get so much attention with a personal god for each is similar to the forces of nature given their own deity/spirit.


Did you understand what I meant?
Or do you really think man is able to imagine an idea without any prior exposure to experience or sense? In other words, out of thin air, no prompt beforehand?

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

I think you missed the point. If a certain being came down, made humans, and let em loose, there wouldn't be so many variations/disagreements in the first place.


It's amazing what can happen in several millenia, eh?
Look how much the U.S.A.'s government, for example, has changed in only a few short centuries.

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

And you have still to explain why your god choose to make the same humans with different racial flavors with various muscular structures, skeletal frame sizes, penis length/size variations, eye, hair, skin color variations and so on.


Why is this an issue? Is it a problem that there are variations?
Should we all have the same faces and looks as well?

Starbuzzz wrote on Mon, 26 April 2010 03:43

Altzan wrote on Sun, 25 April 2010 21:41

it's a choice, not something you are born with.

doesn't have any bearing on consenting adults doing what they please.


It does have bearing on the argument that homosexuality is genetic, though.


I cannot imagine how the clockwork of the universe can exist without a clockmaker. ~Voltaire
 
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