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Re: Catholic adoption agencies and homosexuality [message #424602 is a reply to message #424591] Sat, 03 April 2010 22:08 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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snpr1101 wrote on Sat, 03 April 2010 20:35

edit: Yea I can comment on that, it might be wrong but here it is anyway. The disagreement in this case lies within Altzans' belief in God and the Bible; and your apparent lack of belief (I think?).

no. if it turned out that god was real and the bible was accurate, i'd still think the bible is an absolutely shitty source of morals. if anything i would be horrified to find out that it was true; it's very comforting to me that nobody has given any good reason to think there is any truth to christianity.

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I'd presume it's common knowledge that the bible speaks out against homosexuality, to put it lightly; and obviously against rape too.

actually, rape is positively recommended quite a few times (as is genocide, slavery, and the slaughter of innocent children). really, the only prohibition of rape is the verse i mentioned earlier. and its rule on rape is absolutely appalling. the man simply has to pay off the woman's father and then marry the woman. not really a terrible punishment for the man. more importantly, it makes things so very much worse for the woman. she's just been raped by this bastard, and what happens to her next? she's forced to marry the mean lady. never mind her desires in all of this; she, an innocent victim of a sickening crime, is punished by being forced to live the rest of her life as the wife of the bastard who raped her.

let's not mince words: this is despicable. it would be despicable even if god was real and the bible was true. how fortunate there's no reason to think it is.

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Now I'm not really sure as to how Altzan came to the conclusion that one is worse than the other (maybe there's some sort of point system in the bible that i missed aka 10 points for rape, yay I win!)

well, the punishment for homosexuality is death; worse than the punishment for rape.

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But on the other hand, your apparent lack of belief in the Bible negates the homosexuality part. Therefore, you see rape as wrong (which it is), and two homosexual men who "love" eachother (prove that exists while your at it) as normal (debatable - disprove God and the Bible and you'll win it)

So in conclusion, you can't debate or tell someone that they're wrong about something like that without looking at the root of it. He believes in God, you don't. He believes in the Bible, you don't. The reason Altzans' opinion differs against yours isn't due to just his own sole reasons; they have a strong link to the Bible and to God. Therefore, disprove the Bible and God, and you will win the argument.

it's plain ridiculous to say i need to disprove the existence of god or the accuracy of the bible to take part in a moral debate like this.

what are your religious views, may i ask?

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I realise I made alot of assumptions in there and I apologise if I mis-represented anyone's views or offended anyone. Without reading the whole thing, that is the gist of what i've got out of it.

....so read the whole thing.


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