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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( [message #415054 is a reply to message #415052]

Wed, 23 December 2009 00:12

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Spoony wrote on Wed, 23 December 2009 00:46

you'd think THAT might put people off the point mod THEY are advocating, even if you needed any more "putting off" than the fact they can't explain why their point mod makes sense. just look at the question i asked nunega and simpee at the top of this page; did anyone expect them to be able to answer it? of course not, the game's been out nearly eight years, why would anyone suddenly figure THAT out?

this is probably a good point for a declaration. from somebody who runs a league using the original renegade points system. i expect other servers using it might find it helpful too. when i get people asking me to use the points bug instead, or if people say the same at n00bstories / thekoss2 servers whatever, feel free to link to this too.

here we go. i'll put it all in nice red letters.

I'm not the only one with any explaining to do. The pointsfix is not the only "mod" that affects points; the pointsbug is basically a modification too, a mod that lets you get points for no reason etc. Indeed, since it's been conclusively proven that the pointsfix is the original Renegade points and economy system, the points bug is MORE of a modification than the "pointsfix" is. So it's not just the advocates of the pointsfix who have any explaining to do.

So here's a few questions for anyone who wants to tell me I should use their point mod.

1. please explain to me why it makes any kind of sense? because i've looked at it from all the angles and i simply don't see why it makes sense that you should get points for no reason, or more points than you're deserving.
2a. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to tanks when they have red/yellow health.
2b. when you've answered 1, please explain why your answer should NOT apply to infantry or structures.
3. please explain to me how it is good for balance, in a game where points are important, that unhelpful things can get far more points reward than far more helpful strategies? for example, there's an APC/tank threatening your base... why should your mod encourage people to shoot it ineffectually like an idiot, instead of doing something far more helpful like trying to kill it/push it back, maintain your buildings, or fix a teammate's tank?
4. please explain to me why defensive play ought to trump offensive play on maps like field, cityfly etc?
5. please explain to me why you don't mind maps like field, under and wallsfly being very stacked in favour of gdi?
6. in a game where the economy system is clearly important, please explain to me why you shouldn't have to EARN your credits instead of getting them for no good reason?
7. most of all, please explain to me how you came to the conclusion that your point mod is a good idea at all?

anyone telling me i ought to use their point mod in my servers, the mod that allows you to get points for absolutely no reason (which is far more of a "modification" than the pointsfix could ever be) - come back to me when you can answer these questions. If you can't answer any of them then don't waste your time, and don't show me any polls either (you're just showing me 20 people who can't answer any of these questions. it would be more effective in changing my mind to show me one person who can)

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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( By: ChewML on Fri, 25 December 2009 13:29
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( By: resistor1 on Fri, 25 December 2009 13:57
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( By: ChewML on Fri, 25 December 2009 13:58
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( By: ChewML on Fri, 25 December 2009 14:01
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( By: resistor1 on Fri, 25 December 2009 14:03
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( By: Herr Surth on Fri, 25 December 2009 14:06
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