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Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( [message #414518 is a reply to message #413512]

Sat, 19 December 2009 10:29

CarrierII
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And, and whilst the anti-pointsfix side are making their case, please note this, a FACT that has never ever been addressed:

StealthEye of BlankIntel (Emphasis Added)

t definitely is a bug, notice how it behaves differently on health than on armor as well. (You don't get many points for shooting health with those weapons). The bug affects all damage on armor with a warhead multiplier of != 1, because it is the warhead multiplier that is missing.

Actually, it calculates points like this:
vehicledamagemultiplier * rawdamage * warheadmultiplier / warheadmultiplier

It should be:
vehicledamagemultiplier * rawdamage * warheadmultiplier

Because the warheadmultiplier is low for ramjets, and rawdamage (see the tables on http://www.blackintel.org/?page=projects/biatch/weaponinfo) is high, the effect of the missing multiplier is highest. Repair guns have a warheadmultiplier of 1, so those are not affected. C4 2 -> will do half of the points it should do. All other weapons are <1, therefore all those will give more points than they were supposed to. Because the multipliers are closer to 1 it will be less visible though.

With the bug fixed, you always get half of the points for repairing than for damaging a vehicle, and you always (regardless of the weapon you used) get the same amount for damaging or killing a vehicle (assuming it was not repaired ofcourse).

Without the bugfix, it mostly depends on the weapon you use to damage something with. More than it matters which thing you are damaging or the amount of damage you actually do.

. That is from This topic, announcing the point fix's release.

For those of you less confident at maths: The first formula (The buggy code that is in Renegade normally) can be simplified to "vehicledamagemultiplier * rawdamage" as the last two terms cancel each other out (A/A = 1. X * 1 = X) and how this then affects points is clearly explained. (Also note that some of these multipliers are actually fractional, eg: 1/2 and thus make things smaller).

I strongly suggest you read that entire topic (The so called "Long Version" is best). It's most definately a bug, shall I tell you why? There's no point in putting "A/A" in to any formula in a program, because it will ALWAYS cancel out and thus waste the FPU's time, that is, it is inefficient and slow when the program is run. Thus it MUST be a mistake, and therefore a bug. (Unless A is 0, in which case it will crash! Very Happy

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		Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plead guilty :( By: Goztow on Tue, 08 December 2009 13:47
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Goztow on Thu, 17 December 2009 05:50
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ELiT3FLyR on Thu, 17 December 2009 07:13
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Thu, 17 December 2009 11:50
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: EvilWhiteDragon on Thu, 17 December 2009 12:54
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Thu, 17 December 2009 12:57
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: JohnDoe on Thu, 17 December 2009 12:05
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: liquidv2 on Thu, 17 December 2009 16:29
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Thu, 17 December 2009 16:49
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: BlueThen on Thu, 17 December 2009 16:55
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Thu, 17 December 2009 20:01
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: luv2pb on Thu, 17 December 2009 12:07
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Thu, 17 December 2009 12:25
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Thu, 17 December 2009 12:54
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: KobraOps on Thu, 17 December 2009 13:22
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Thu, 17 December 2009 15:01
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Tunaman on Thu, 17 December 2009 15:19
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Goztow on Fri, 18 December 2009 00:59
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Herr Surth on Thu, 17 December 2009 15:23
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: raven on Thu, 17 December 2009 15:34
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Thu, 17 December 2009 15:40
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: KobraOps on Thu, 17 December 2009 17:46
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Thu, 17 December 2009 17:56
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: KobraOps on Thu, 17 December 2009 18:06
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: EvilWhiteDragon on Thu, 17 December 2009 18:21
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: KobraOps on Thu, 17 December 2009 19:24
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Thu, 17 December 2009 22:35
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ELiT3FLyR on Thu, 17 December 2009 19:49
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Thu, 17 December 2009 20:09
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: JohnDoe on Fri, 18 December 2009 01:51
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Fri, 18 December 2009 03:49
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: EvilWhiteDragon on Fri, 18 December 2009 06:11
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Goztow on Fri, 18 December 2009 02:40
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: JohnDoe on Fri, 18 December 2009 06:06
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Goztow on Fri, 18 December 2009 06:26
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: GoldDrag on Fri, 18 December 2009 04:15
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: JohnDoe on Fri, 18 December 2009 06:02
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Fri, 18 December 2009 06:27
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Hitman on Fri, 18 December 2009 10:41
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Fri, 18 December 2009 13:54
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Fri, 18 December 2009 14:19
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: BlueThen on Fri, 18 December 2009 15:05
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Fri, 18 December 2009 15:40
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Fri, 18 December 2009 16:21
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Fri, 18 December 2009 16:38
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Fri, 18 December 2009 18:52
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Fri, 18 December 2009 15:41
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Fri, 18 December 2009 15:45
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: BlueThen on Fri, 18 December 2009 15:53
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Fri, 18 December 2009 15:57
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Crimson on Fri, 18 December 2009 18:17
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: BlueThen on Fri, 18 December 2009 18:40
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: HaTe on Fri, 18 December 2009 18:44
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Fri, 18 December 2009 19:05
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: BlueThen on Fri, 18 December 2009 20:58
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ELiT3FLyR on Fri, 18 December 2009 17:45
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Fri, 18 December 2009 17:54
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ELiT3FLyR on Fri, 18 December 2009 18:56
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Fri, 18 December 2009 19:03
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Fri, 18 December 2009 18:58
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: kadoosh on Fri, 18 December 2009 21:12
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Fri, 18 December 2009 21:26
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: kadoosh on Fri, 18 December 2009 21:47
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Goztow on Sat, 19 December 2009 01:39
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Tunaman on Sat, 19 December 2009 01:57
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 19 December 2009 05:46
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Crimson on Sat, 19 December 2009 02:08
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Sat, 19 December 2009 04:21
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Sat, 19 December 2009 13:39
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ELiT3FLyR on Sat, 19 December 2009 10:09
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Sat, 19 December 2009 10:21
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sat, 19 December 2009 10:34
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Sat, 19 December 2009 11:22
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: CarrierII on Sat, 19 December 2009 10:21
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Sat, 19 December 2009 11:14
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: CarrierII on Sat, 19 December 2009 14:37
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Sat, 19 December 2009 14:39
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: CarrierII on Sat, 19 December 2009 14:41
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Hitman on Sat, 19 December 2009 11:00
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: GEORGE ZIMMER on Sat, 19 December 2009 13:51
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		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Sat, 19 December 2009 20:48
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Sat, 19 December 2009 22:11
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: EvilWhiteDragon on Sun, 20 December 2009 05:05
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: ChewML on Sun, 20 December 2009 11:19
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Herr Surth on Sun, 20 December 2009 05:26
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Spoony on Sun, 20 December 2009 05:32
		Re: Pointsfix debate - cleared - I plaid guilty :( By: Herr Surth on Sun, 20 December 2009 05:37
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