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Sat, 21 November 2009 12:16

JohnDoe
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Dover wrote on Sat, 21 November 2009 09:39

JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 21 November 2009 06:52

How exactly did I word it? Like I said, just replace 'Bulgaria' with 'Serbia' and it makes perfect sense...hardly reason for you to stay up until 5 AM Sarcasm

Only it wouldn't have made perfect sense because nobody is talking about Serbia, and if you do nothing but replace "Bulgaria" with "Serbia, you look like some kind of weirdo faggot who's having a conversation with himself.

As for the 5 AM, I have an interesting sleep schedule. Your e-peen must be huge if you think it has anything to do with you.

JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 21 November 2009 06:52

1. You're taking all the blame off Russia, which was the first great power to mobilize it's forces against another.

Not all the blame, but I do disagree with SoQRadio's assertion that Russia is most to blame. You and him both make the lazy intelectual mistake of confusing "Mobilize" with "Attack".

JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 21 November 2009 06:52

2. You're instead putting most of the blame on Germany for reacting to this mobilization with a formal declaration of war.

Yes. That elevates things. A formal declaration of war is far more aggressive than simply "mobilizing". For example, the US "mobilizes" against nations all the time, most recently in some clusterfuck with some North Korean ships or something. Yet you don't see any World Wars starting there yet, do you?

Beyond simply declaring war, they were also the first to attack and invade. From a purely military standpoint there's nothing wrong with that, and there's even some advantage to be had, but politically it doesn't look good, and earns you a majority blame.

JohnDoe wrote on Sat, 21 November 2009 06:52

3. You're holding Yugoslavia (you're saying Serbia, but I can't be bothered to freak out on someone for mixing up country names) as a whole accountable because a Serb killed Franz Ferdinand.

Yeah. This happens all the time, like Afghanistan being held responsible for the 9/11 attacks, or the "nation" of Palestine being held responsible for the 1972 Munich massacre. This is the way blame for terrorist attacks (Like the assassination of Ferdinand) works.

I don't think I have to point out the irony of someone with you appearance and 'sleeping schedule' calling me a weirdo.

It seems you forgot how this argument started (a few posts before my now infamous typo made you flip out):

SoQRadio wrote on Thu, 19 November 2009 17:23

Actually Russia was most directly responsible for WWI. Until Russia acted, it looked like it was going to be a small-scale war between the Austrians and the Serbs (over the assassination of Francis Ferdinand). Russia wanted control of the straits and didnt want to lose its influence in the Balkans, and acted in defense of the Serbs. Russia started mobilizing for war early, and thus forced Germany to declare war, for the sake of its own national security as well as for the sake of its ally, Austria.

You replied with an analogy of how Russia came to the rescue of another slavic nation (Bulgaria). This dummy actually forgot what he was arguing about...jeez

1&2 Lazy intellectual mistake, huh? That's rich coming from you, clearly not aware of the great powers being at the brink or war even before Franz Ferdinand was shot. Mobilizing meant that war was now inevitable, comparing this with a current scenario instead of looking at the historical context is exactly that, a lazy intellectual mistake.
3 The Taliban regime was actively supporting Al Queda, while Franz Ferdinand's assassin was a rogue freedom fighter, but that's besides the point - it doesn't matter who Austro-Hungary blamed when evaluating history. Hitler blamed Poland for attacking Germany first, so do you agree with that as well? Big Grin

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