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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #406319 is a reply to message #406313] Fri, 09 October 2009 08:05 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50

try thinking in a straight line, perhaps?


Perhaps i would keep a straight line of thought if

You can tell a sentence is gonna be bullshit when this is how it starts.

"OK, I was talking complete bollocks, but it's your fault because..."

But still, let's examine your reasons.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

you didnt keep referring to random incidents that happened years ago

Specifically?

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

drawing your own conclusions which attack the good standing and character of the community which i am a part of.

Specifically?

Besides, plenty of the Jelly community do this to me all the time, they've done it several times in this thread, and they usually get caught lying in the attempt. You don't seem to mind that.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50


you say: but it's justified.

I said you bring it on yourself becasue you know the attitudes of most people at Jelly. I didnt say it was justified. This is another problem of yours Spoony. You twist words and invent these stories and present them as fact. Then use them over and over.

Oh, so you admit it's NOT justified then?

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50

well, neither of these actually puts me at fault.

Of course! You are never at fault. This is what i meant about whether you ever considered the fact you are wrong.

What an absurdly hypocritical contradiction.

You give two reasons why I should be treated with contempt by the Jelly community - I point out that neither of these actually constitutes me doing something wrong, and your reply is "OH YEAH YOUR NEVER WRONG ARE YOU?!?"

Speak for yourself.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

I barely know Clearshot and have never been part of a clan but i still know about this drama becasue you repeat it ad'nauseam every chance you get.

Ah, so the problem ISN'T that a jelly moderator lied to the community again and again and again to make me look bad, and the rest of the community let him get away with it (in some cases actually lying to help him get away with it)... the problem is I caught him redhanded and pointing out how utterly pathetic it was?

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Who is treating you with contempt and why is the level astonishing?

Are you blind?

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

What you are saying here when you break it all down is that you would rather the Jelly community flame and show astonishing levels of contempt to mgstpain. I suppose we all love a good roasting, as long as we are not the ones taking it.

No, I didn't say I would particularly enjoy a lynch-mob aimed at msgtpain.

I said I'm rather surprised at the Jelly community's apparently total indifference to a moderator cheating while being a moderator, and continually lying to everyone to cover himself while doing so. But when they see someone with different opinions on the pointsfix, or someone daring to speak out about their control of the gamelistings, grab a stick and get in line, eh?

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50


clearly nobody can grasp the solid fact that if you wanna use the pointsfix in your own community, i don't care. really, i don't.

I think everyone has got it by now.

That's not the impression I get.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Spoony wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 15:50

but many people in the jelly community have proven they DON'T want me to choose to use the pointsfix in mine.

I dont think i have seen anyone trying to stop you using the pointsfix in your server. Unless you mean clanwars again and in which case, that was a community decision.

Read what I said to Roni. He couldn't think of a response and was too humiliated to try... see if you can do better.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

I personally couldnt care less what you decide to do in your servers. I only care about your threats to steal Jelly's server nicks for your own purposes and the bad mouthing of my community on these forums.

I personally couldn't care less about how Jelly servers are run, or even how the forums were run (it really doesn't bother me that the community's full of bullies who treat people like shit when you've done nothing wrong to them). I only care about their strangehold on the game listings and their fanatical inability to even maturely debate the issue at all.
Still...
"I only care about your threats to steal Jelly's server nicks for your own purposes"
Untrue.
"and the bad mouthing of my community on these forums"
Not only untrue but grossly hypocritical.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

How about.....there is no crime that Jelly has to answer for.

I didn't suggest that there was. I was criticising all the power his community has and suggested it would be better in more responsible hands. That's all. They've tried to sidestep this completely legitimate opinion in essentially two ways:
1. "you should have talked about this privately"
2. "you're only doing this because we took the pointsfix off"

point 1 is merely ridiculous, point 2 is downright insulting. and, of course, it contradicts all the facts.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

And, there is no established authority for Jelly to answer to.

There's TT... but more to the point, there's the community.

TT considers itself answerable to the community. We proved that with the pointsfix. Jelly has made no secret at all of the fact they DON'T consider themselves answerable to the community.

PapaElbo wrote on Fri, 09 October 2009 09:40

Crimson says that TT have control of XWIS so in effect, you could go ahead an do it right now anyway. So, why dont you?

Precisely because we're better than the Jelly community.

I, personally, am quite satisfied with this thread's outcome. If anybody was in any doubt that the Jelly community is completely unqualified to manage this responsibility, they only need to look at this thread. They can then look at TT's track record, which is far superior in every conceivable sense.

You say I'm attacking jelly here? Don't need to, it's done a very good job of attacking itself.


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