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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #406065 is a reply to message #406061] Wed, 07 October 2009 17:39 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 19:21

I'm just saying it so that Roni and anyone who agrees with him that I owe Jelly an apology might start seeing how many people in their own community owe me one for much better reasons.

Although it was never brought up, I do feel that I owe you an apology for acting the way I did during the bluelabel/cw.cc comm war fiasco. For that, I do apologize. It was wrong of me to allow it.

Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 19:21

Yourself? That's easy, although a little masochistic, because I actually decided I'd keep fairly quiet about it. Your moderator Msgtpain, as you know, has had a furious grudge against me for several years, and has continuously attacked me for no justification. (He's TRIED to justify it based on a lie about a very old community match - non00bs vs the pitts - in which he said I behaved badly in regard to a cheat accusation. That was completely untrue - I asked for a screenshot, which incidentally wasn't posted). Usually I just let him rant aimlessly, but every now and again I reply pointing out how full of shit he is. He replies calling me a liar blah blah blah. I'm a little sick of him at this point so I just blow the whistle on his cheating tendencies.

Between you and cunalinga, you deleted my post and locked the thread, then you threatened to ban me (and threw in a personal insult into the bargain). Bafflingly, though, his ridiculous lies against me were allowed to stand, even though the rebuttal blowing them out of the water was deleted.

I repeatedly asked you to stop posting on the issue, along with cunalinga. You pressed on, you were the only one pressing on with the topic and we asked you to stop. You didn't so we took moderation action against you plain and simple. It's the only way we got the issue to lay at rest because you can't give things up, you have to have the last word and you always have to be right.

Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 19:21

You try to cram several different statements into one paragraph here, so it is necessary to separate them.
"the nicknames were fair game for anyone to register, Jelly beat everyone to the punch". OK, so this is your justification for the monopoly. Odd, because I don't think this is what XWIS wanted to happen. Also, you need to answer to my analogy about if EA said: "First person to reply gets to make a patch on Renegade!" or my analogy to the guy who took all the Renegade serials.
"and has run a great community on these nicks for years". Same sentence, totally different point. This doesn't mean anything to anyone outside the Jelly community. This doesn't justify, or require, an a00 name.
"You don't share this opinion because you've made yourself unwelcome there."
I've made it very clear why I don't share this opinion. Try actually reading my actual objections to the monopoly.
"Tough shit for you; you did it to yourself."
How very pathetic. If you actually check those pointsfix debates, you'll see me behave very courteously in the face of unbelievable provocation. People are pissed at me because I hold a different opinion and because they get angry at losing arguments. Neither of these is a crime.

Good for you for pointing out my grammatical and structural errors, you get an A+ for teaching. I don't have to answer that analogy because it's quite ridiculous, comparing two completely different situations that don't even make sense. A patch and registering nicknames don't even come close to comparing. There is no justification of an A00 name other than the fact that Jelly owns them. He can do what he sees fit with his nicks, just like I can do what I want with mine.

For the record, I've read every single word you've written.

The point is, we didn't want the pointsfix shit to even be ON our forums, yet you insisted on instigating the issue. Your persistance and annoying presence on our forums made you an unwelcome member which is why I say that. I'm not entirely sure that people are pissed at you for liking the pointsfix. I've publically stated that I agree 100% with the fix and people still generally like me... perhaps it's the way you present the information?

Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 19:21

You can register eight nicknames for yourself. If you register a name someone else wants, the worst that can really happen is they don't get it. This DOESN'T PREVENT YOU making a new name for yourself. Jelly taking all the a00 names DOES DEMONSTRABLY harm other communities; for starters it DIRECTLY means no new servers have a chance of flourishing unless he smiles upon them.

Nine nicknames. I do believe you just answered your own point there. "If you register a name someone else wants, the worst that can really happen is they don't get it." Jelly did just that, he registered the nicks and the others didn't get it. Too bad for them. What's wrong with the servers that are running on those nicks? What's wrong with n00bstories? What's wrong with n00bless? What's wrong with Jelly AOW1, Mini, J2, and Mara? Those are the servers running on the nicks, why is there a NEED for new communities? Especially in an old game like this.

Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 19:21

Oh, you're saying "Jelly isn't the only offender, just the biggest one by far", are you? Well, Nightma has a couple but I've talked to him and he said he'd be OK if the situation was reformed somehow.
Privately I assume, not a big, grand public inquisition like this?

Spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 19:21

harder than a new community having a chance of getting new players? i fucking doubt it. but you've never had to try doing that, which is why you didn't think it is a problem. believe me, I used to be under the same misapprehension.
You don't even know what you're talking about do you? Literally thousands of lines of code. If you're volunteering to do it, I will concede.

By the way, I have tried to start a new community, don't say things if you don't know what I have and haven't done. Nite-Serv was mine in its beginnings, we had a low nickname, a0000005k, and we made it a successful sniper server. You know how? By listening to the people and sitting idle in it, waiting for people to join. It wasn't that hard.

You've also dodged this repeatedly:
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Lastly, this is all for nothing when the TT patch is released. It sorts it by players ingame instead of nicks (which is the better system anyhow, and it should have been like that from the start). Unless TT is going to be another year, what's the point in all this?



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