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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #406040 is a reply to message #406039]

Wed, 07 October 2009 15:55

raven
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Registered: January 2007
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Dover wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 17:45

Of course, to those of us actually following the thread, the picture looks quite differently.

Or the ones who have their heads so far up their ass they can't get the full picture.

PapaElbo wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:16

Oh wow! LOL. I have had enough of people inflicting TL;DR posts on me!

So, in retaliation, i made one myself!! Wink

spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 15:43

...TT goes to incredible lengths to debate the subject logically, listen to everybody's opinion, reply to everybody. suggests several compromises all of which are violently rejected by the anti-pointsfix crowd. eventually says: ok, we'll give you everything you wanted.

Becasue TT is a community built patch and requires almost 100% community support before EA or whoever runs the show, can ever allow it to become a compulsory patch available through the XWIS patcher.

If you went and made every single change mandatory (and im talking about the things that affect established gameplay), for example, the pointsfix, the community split would make TT as a compulsory and automatically downloaded patch impossible, and therefore obsolete.

Therefore, you HAVE TO compromise or the project fails.

That is the fundamental flaw in your comparison with this Jelly A00 nick issue. Jelly has no compulsion (or responsibility) to provide support to other communities or give up his competitive advantage. You have projected this responsibility onto Jelly but i would say it was never his.

However, despite that, he still CHOOSES to support other communities and continues to do so to this day.

spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 15:43

...people criticise Jelly because it has a monopoly on the game listings.
jelly admins say: fuck off, there's nothing you can do about it...

Goading people into an emotional outburst seems to be your forté. Can you really expect a professional, thought out, meaningful response to EVERY subject you seem to be a part of. Considering the tone (and length) of your original post, i wouldnt have expected less.

But now you have changed the goalposts with your threats to approach Olaf/EA so you will get your professional response and i see, even the promise of a compromise from Jelly for your own benefit.

Unfortunately, nobody had the right to criticise Jelly in the first place - certainly not for the sole reason that he owns all the A00 nicks and uses them as he sees fit. You might "complain" to a sympathetic ear, or bemoan how unfair you think it is that Jelly dominates the top nicks. But fairness doesnt come into it. The nicks are for all intents and purposes, the property of Jelly sans XWIS. Therefore, Jelly should be able to use them as he sees fit.

And how he sees fit, from what i can see, is to provide some of the best run forums as well as several well maintained servers and most importantly, the most cohesive, warm, friendly, fun and inclusive community i have ever been a part of. This doesnt even mention the wider community aspect in initiating and hosting regular and successful inter-community matches.

If the servers were dead, constantly offline, or some bad admins had run the place into the ground, then you may have a case. But i see no evidence of that here and therefore, no point to your argument.

If that doesnt convince you, then how about the fact the server nick is meaningless under scripts 3.4.4 and also the TT patch? Both sort the servers by player count and not the server nick. Unless of course, you know somethig we dont? Maybe TT would decide to change their minds on how the servers were sorted upon obtaining an A00 nick "for the benefit of the community"?

spoony wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 15:43

and maybe we should ban you for giving your opinion at all.

Of course you are not going to get banned. But people do feel strongly about how you are conducting yourself in these forums and on others whilst still pertaining to be a part of this community.

You posted that you thought it may be necessary to approach Olaf/EA to have the A00 nicks forcibly removed from Jelly for the benefit of the "more responsible" group, TT (of which you happen to be a senior member). And you think everyone would just take that at face value and welcome you back here without prejudice?

If you want to be a part of a community, then be a part of it. Not constantly creating or provoking heated arguments and endlessly one-sided debates on non-issues or things that are already resolved.

Gr8mofo1 wrote on Wed, 07 October 2009 18:36

I usually stay pretty quiet on the topics Spoony starts because frankly in the last year they are just a waste of time. Let me preface the following comments with the fact that I do not know Jelly other than a few hello's and so forth over the years.

I started playing this game when Renstation and NoNoobs were around. I don't recall either of those hosts on the top tier of host names but I could be wrong. We enjoyed the game and found the servers and players we liked to game with.

When iccy decided to merge over with Jelly alot of us NoNoobs players came to play on this server and community. For the most part Jelly was gracious enough to let us play the way we did at NoNoobs. For that I was very grateful. He for the most part let us keep similiar gameplay and strategy since it differed tremendously from Jelly's style of gameplay.

He has never been difficult or has anyone ever felt he was monopolizing the A00 names. He let's the mods and admins run the servers the way the majority like it. This is one of the reasons his community is still going strong and continues to get donations from its members. He is wise enough to know that there are several diffent styles of gameplay so he started J1, J2, Mini, Marathon and so forth. He has given everyone and opportunity to play on different servers to see if they like the game play or not. I see nothing wrong with this.

You say the communities are upset at his monopoly of the A00 names? Please name those communities? The only threads about people not liking this to my knowledge, are the ones you have personally started. Look at Storm server for example. They are not on the top of the list but they still get quite a bit of consistent regular players. The people who play there often like it and I have occasionally gone to play on their server from time to time to mix things up a little.

My point is this. You have personally taken the TT patch to an extreme personal level. I understand you have a lot invested in the patch but please this is just a game. Please note for me when the majority of Ren players and communities decided that they wanted this point fix update or was it something that a few coders and one to two community reps decided they wanted it?

The problem started when TT or someone from TT said the point fix was going to be mandatory. You say TT has gone to great lengths to listen to the majority of people who stated they did not want the point fix and after numerous threads, posts and even in my old community that I started we put up an anti point fix petition which had about 100 signatures from the MCD community and several other communities who felt the point fix should not be mandatory. I venture to say if the point fix was mandatory and we sent those names and started a new petition to EA there would be some second thoughts about what the majority of regular players wanted...

You truly believe in the point fix and 50% or more regular players don't believe in it. It's a matter of choice. Please understand this. Right, wrong or indifferent people still have a choice. J1 put the point fix up and it didn't work to well. Alot of the regular J1 players went Marathon. Imagine what is going through Jelly's mind, hmm.. I have players leaving J1 and marathon is full most of the time now and what happens when marathon is full and no one really wants to play on J1 they will go elsewhere and play on another server? Should he risk losing potential donators because of the point fix mod? I think not. He gave it a fair go at the point fix but it wasn't greeted well by the majority of players so he changed it back.

People have enjoyed this game for several years the way it was created and sure you can post about how it was not created correctly because of getting credits by whoring the harvy with soldiers and what not but who really cares. This is just a game. It is not real life. I don't go to bed thinking about how I can shoot a blue beam at a building at it miracously starts repairing itself?

I have offered up my A00000000 name to you for sale or for rent and you said I was less than honest. Sure 10,000 is alot but you know I would rent it to you for a reasonable price. I truly would sell it to you. This way you can get a name on top with the point fix but with the new scripts and TT patch the host names become useless and it is by player counts anyways.

In conclusion, I feel, you have personally tried to demonize Jelly for having the A00 names. Yes, Spoony you have done this and I hope you are willing to accept that fact and apologize to him. People from the Jelly community like him, will defend him and as you can see by the majority of replies they do not like you for trying to demonize a guy (Jelly) who fronts the cash each month so they can release some steam after work or just to relax for a few hours on Renegade.

Have you thought maybe, just maybe, that it is not one isolated person but when the majority of responses to your threads are from people who think you are arrogant and disprectful? Please read your responses when someone disagrees with you and they always start with someone is lying and you are always right.

Spoony you and I go back a long time and we have differed on a few things, but primarily it being the Point fix. I hope you take it in the spirit I am sending this. I still consider you a friend and respect alot of things you have done for the Ren community. I just don't agree with the way you are going about doing some things that is all. To all I am sorry for the long post.

Cheers,

Roni

Spoony, since you said you won't be replying to the posts at the topic you made on Jelly ("only debate it there, btw. i'm not gonna reply to posts here."), I thought I'd repost them here for discussion.

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		The Pointsfix and the Game Listings By: Spoony on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:36
		Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings By: Goztow on Tue, 06 October 2009 01:57
		Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings By: Hex on Tue, 06 October 2009 02:38
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