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Re: The Pointsfix and the Game Listings [message #405617 is a reply to message #405608] Tue, 06 October 2009 09:45 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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so say we all. wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:34

tellsson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 09:58

Spoony wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:10

tellsson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 06:20

Spoony wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 10:36

There is no special reason why they deserve this. Anybody could have gotten there first. We can, if we
like, speculate who else was trying to do the same thing at the time, or what would have happened if they got there five
minutes before Jelly did.


well, they didnt. Jelly was faster and so he deserve it. its like in real life, the one who is faster get the better place/wins.

k, so let's say TT had the ability to patch the game JUST BECAUSE EA said "first person to post here gets to take over the renegade patcher", and crimson got the first post.
let's then say TT said: pointsfix will be compulsory and we're also gonna patch the game to make that totally unchangeable.
according to your 'logic', there'd be absolutely nothing wrong with TT doing that. the decision would be completely TT's and they wouldn't have to explain it to anybody, because they got there first, case closed.
if you think it ISN'T ok for TT to do that just because they got there first (which is, of course, not the case anyway), then perhaps you're beginning to see why it's not OK for Jelly to do the same.


nice hypotheses, but still, fact is: JELLY WAS FASTER.

How does that refute the fact that its unfair?


Anybody could have gotten there first.
So what is unfair about that jelly was faster then all others??
Imagine that: a race. Some1 wins and earns the prize. What is unfair about that?


so say we all. wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:34

tellsson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 09:58

Spoony wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:10

tellsson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 06:20

Spoony wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 10:36

Now, Jelly himself is my friend, and I will admit that there are many people who could have abused this situation far more.
But that does not change anything.


so, you wanna say jelly did abuse it?

I don't need to. Even if he used it to the best of his fairness, it's still power he shouldn't have.


You did! "who could have abused this situation FAR MORE." Imo that means that he did

He's not saying he didnt, he's saying that it doesnt matter if he did, because his point would still stand either way.


Isnt it jelly`s right to do whatever he wants with his servers? Like i said, every other community had the same rights, but jelly was faster.

so say we all. wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 17:34

tellsson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 09:58

Spoony wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 16:10

tellsson wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 06:20

Spoony wrote on Tue, 06 October 2009 10:36

Now, even though the anti-pointsfix crowd has lost every single debate on the subject AND has been caught using the most
appalling tactics imaginable

nice lie! The fact that the pointmod did empty j1 is still a valid reason against the pointmod.

uh no, i said if you can't even explain why the flawed, unintended system is better and have it stand up to debate - and nobody has done that - you've no right to make sure it continues to impose the same bad habits onto new players, and stunt their skills in the same way yours have been.
and, of course, no rebuttal to "AND has been caught using the most appalling tactics imaginable"... but then, you can get away with the most extraordinary bullshit so long as you're against the pointsfix.


The fact that the pointmod did empty j1 is still a valid reason against the pointmod. Do you really think i shouldnt defend my "home" against a modification wich kills "my home"?
It's a valid reason to make an argument about large parts of j1 players being stubborn people alright. Not that I care if they are, its their server.


You`re right, its our server.
I wonder how you would act if a modification empties the server where you played for ages.
You could see that it`s clearly the modification wich kills your favourite server. And you`d accept that?


Greetz telly ^^

and for the rest, read td`s and jellys post.

[Updated on: Tue, 06 October 2009 09:47]

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