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Re: Ideas to help newcomers/people joining a serv mid-game [message #405416 is a reply to message #405405] Mon, 05 October 2009 11:20 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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ELiT3FLyR wrote

perhaps we have different victory conditions when it comes to pointfix debates. Yours seems to be proove that simpee pointpushed 3 games in 2004 and hope people wont listen to him because of this

that's pretty low down on the list of things that need to be said about you. i didn't even mention the fact you pointpushed in that other thread... you did. why you thought this would be a good thing to bring up is beyond me... i'd rather talk about your continual failure to report games, your subversion of my decisions on the pointsfix, the fact you're always lying through your teeth to make me look bad, and the fact that every time you do something pathetic and you get caught, you act like it's someone else's fault.

ELiT3FLyR wrote

whilst mine is to make sure everyone realises that pointfix has a negative effect on the game.

and let's say everybody believes you, no matter how many times your maths falls apart or you get caught lying about something. what's the problem? IT'LL BE OPTIONAL!

ELiT3FLyR wrote

you can call me a liar all you want

thanks. it's a necessary rebuttal to a great deal of the things you say.

ELiT3FLyR wrote

but in my book you havent won a single pointfix argument because everytime you have bought a pointfix debate to a jelly or clanwar forum your the one who gets told to wank off, not me, clear or anyother anti gay-fix person.

so? none of this changes the fact that everything I say invariably turns out to be true, most of what the anti-pointsfix crowd says turns out to be either totally misinformed or outright lies. it's amazing you have the nerve to mention clearshot, considering what he did in that thread. the fact nobody flamed him for that proves only one thing: you can get away with the most EXTRAORDINARY bullshit so long as you're against the pointsfix.
he lied through his teeth AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN, making a huge list of ridiculous and false accusations against me, all these corrupt admin abuses i did. YOU KNEW every word he said was lie, you KNEW i was innocent on all charges, but not only did you NOT say so, you actually LIED to try to cover for him. which, if you remember, is EXACTLY WHAT I PREDICTED YOU WOULD DO. why are you even bringing this up? it's INCREDIBLY damning against you. but you're just too thick to realise that... you just don't realise how crippling it is to your credibility every time you try to get away with bullshit like this.

ELiT3FLyR wrote

if the pointfix is optional like 1 of the guys told me earlier

uh, i think you mean "like spoony told me again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again and again"

ELiT3FLyR wrote

then fucking leave me alone and stop bringing me back into these arguments by saying i suck

y'know when people on renegade forums say 'lol' they aren't really laughing out loud, right? well, this sentence actually did make me laugh out loud.
I knew your insecurity about your reneskills was your biggest weakness, but I didn't realise it would hit you THIS hard... (after reading that sentence i almost feel guilty now, lol...) anyway, you're the one who started with the whole "im better than u" crap. Remember? You got proven wrong, and instead of acknowledging it you changed your position to "im better than u, case closed". Shame you couldn't even make THAT stick.

ELiT3FLyR wrote

youve always had a "flair for dramatics" as joetorp put it, this is evident as u knew that jelly already refused ur ladder idea but u posted on there anyway because u knew it would annoy people and spark a reaction.

no, I was making YET ANOTHER compromise to people who despise me. i'm just the better man, and I even get flamed for proving that Thumbs Up

rather telling you mentioned joetorp, because his situation is exactly the same as yours. i've caught both of you lying through your teeth again and again and again, and you somehow come to the conclusion that i'm the bad guy for catching you. you make yourself look even more pathetic by doing so, and you're obviously too thick to see that.

ELiT3FLyR wrote

obviously you dont know how it works in clanwars because
1) under is rarely played as a clanwar map

funny, neither was mesa until people decided it was an argument against the pointsfix, then suddenly it's the most important map. whereas when maps like field and wallsfly are DEFINITELY made fairer by the pointsfix, and actually ARE played a lot in clanwars, they don't matter.

ELiT3FLyR wrote

thanks for prooving my renegade terroist point spoony. You might be able to get these guys to believe u and think that im cheatin scum against any kind of game development but anyone who actually knows me knows this is not the case.

um, breaking rules = cheating, and you broke the rules in my league ALL THE TIME. and every time you got caught you acted like it was someone else's fault, usually either mine or whiskey's.

ELiT3FLyR wrote

I was one of the MAJORITY at clanwars that said pointfix sucks. i dont understand why you thought that forcing all of clanwars to play pointfix when you didnt even have the support of the server owners would ever work.

if there was one server left on renegade and the owner decdied mammies should only cost 200 credits would you not do everything you could to get this reversed so that you could continue to play and enjoy the game? thats all that happened at clanwars.

your behaviour was COMPLETELY INDEFENSIBLE, and it PROVES you DO NOT support the idea of each community having the individual choice. YOU-DO-NOT.

here we go again. i've posted all this before, but you keep dodging it because you know there's absolutely nothing you can say in your own defence.

- spoony, the rightful league owner, decides he wants to use the pointsfix in the clanwars league. he also encourages open debate on the subject.
- nobody can successfully argue against it. everything they say is proven wrong, and they also make a habit of completely not listening to what the opposition is saying
- the community starts a campaign of lies, manipulation and sabotage. endlessly lying to try to influence opinion, ridiculous character assassination, rigging polls and then lying about the results, and most crucial, lying to the server owners to get it unbanned. most of the people doing this had a really shitty reputation in terms of fairplay, too.
- later, spoony tries again, suggests testing of the full pointsfix (i.e. with the vehicle-alignment modification). community refuses to test it. they later lie and say they did.
- later still, a few people actually tries to use this whole sorry episode as an argument against the pointsfix. WHAT?! some people are just masochists.

now, who do you support here?
a: the rightful league owner and admin, who made a choice of whether to use the pointsfix or not
b: a group of people, all of whom had colourful rap sheets of breaking rules, ignoring the admin's decision and subverting his authority, through a campaign of lies and manipulation

if you support B, then... well, that's your opinion. but it means four things.
1. you place no value on honesty or evidence
2. you place no value on fair play
3. you have no regard for the authority of the rightful league owner, even though he's the only person who could ever be bothered hosting a league for you
4. (most importantly, here and now) YOU DO NOT SUPPORT THE IDEA OF EACH COMMUNITY CHOOSING WHETHER TO USE THE POINTSFIX!

ELiT3FLyR wrote

if there was one server left on renegade and the owner decdied mammies should only cost 200 credits would you not do everything you could to get this reversed so that you could continue to play and enjoy the game? thats all that happened at clanwars.

what would i do? start another server. (presumably if there was only one server left, then the jelly community's unwarranted, unchallengeable 4-year chokehold on the game listings wouldn't be a hindrance to that anymore).

why didn't YOU host a league with the pointsbug? i asked this question a lot of times to idiots like you, and every single time i did, it completely stumped them. it's a real debate-stopper.

do you know why clanwars started at all? it's because the WOL ladder was crap. so CLAN WARS had an idea: start another one and run it better. you ask me "what would you do?" THIS IS WHAT WE DID DO, and because we did, you had a league to play on. Nobody else gave a shit about you. NOBODY. Considering the appalling way you behave, it's easy to see why, but you still owe me nothing but thanks.

instead what do you do? you disregard rules you don't like and then you act like it's everyone else's fault when you get caught, and then, the pinnacle of your stupidity, you act like your opinion on the rules you keep breaking is even worth listening to. you CONTINUALLY lie to the community either to try to make me look bad. you even tried doing what clearshot was doing, AND defended him even though you knew he was lying and i was telling the truth... which is yet another hammer blow to your credibility. you even had the nerve to say "it's convenient for you the old smak forums are gone so everyone can't see you're lying and clear's telling the truth". i must say, THAT was pretty cunning by your intellectual standards (which, let's not mince words, are pretty low). what a pity it didn't work and both you and clear were caught.

here's a question, simpee: why do you think you deserve everything i did for you? after the disgusting way you've treated me, and still do, don't you think it's astonishing that i'm the only person who could be bothered hosting a clan league for you?

but anyway, you've done more than enough to ensure that anything you say about the pointsfix can be completely disregarded. i warned you again and again and again and again that every time you lie to the community or dodge the fact you get proven wrong, you make your case weaker. perhaps you should've listened, because you've finally hit the zero point. so this is what's gonna happen:
1. apologise for everything you've done, apologise to me for every time you lied to the community to try to make me look bad, apologise to me for trying to subvert the clanwars league, and apologise to the community for lying when you said you want the pointsfix to be optional
2. i, and the rest of TT, will no longer even read what you say at all. we won't read it, we won't reply to it, we will simply put you on ignore, and if anyone tries posting on your behalf we'll do the same to them. you've proven over and over and over again that you simply don't deserve to lower the standards of this debate by your very participation, and this is your last chance to prove otherwise. i say "last" because god knows you've had - and wasted - enough chances already.

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