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Re: RENEGADE DYING [message #398309 is a reply to message #397758]

Mon, 17 August 2009 14:18

Pyr0man1c
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a000clown wrote on Wed, 12 August 2009 18:42

A significant amount of people I have talked with don't believe TT will ever be completed, which is a problem because they have no hope for C&C:Renegade's future and thus stop playing it.

I think if there were regular updates this wouldn't be the case.

I can't express how brilliant an idea having regular updates is.
Despite the fact that it will be hard to make EA make it official and that it will be hard to release in different parts doing this would keep people interested in renegade and stop it from dying out
^^This is on topic so i think your moving it over to another forum was rather silly as this is an idea to consider for TT however I know you won't for several reasons.
off topic-if this was to be done then there wouldn't actually be any need to fight as people with scripts 3.4.4 show servers with the highest ranking ingame player count rather than highest ranking name so the fact that "your" host nick was stolen would hardly matter.Also Crimson you should set up a marathon server as really even if the host nick isn't high ranking people will recognize and play in it.All this arguing about stealing the nick is silly, it is equivelant to arguing over who gets to take a bag of lollypops(or burgers)

"Sapere Aude- Dare to be wise"

AmunRa

and its all this "drama" that will one day end renegade...

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A question regarding RenGuard. Because it's a client/server application, what will stop the legions of people who cheat, and can crack apps, from reverse engineering it down to it's core protocol / encryption (which I'll assume it has), and duplicating it, so that they have their own client which responds to the server with all the correct info for an unpatched Renegade, but in fact is patched.

Personally, I think you should write a server-side only anti-cheat, which hooks the networking routines in Renegade. From there, using either the help of your staff who worked on creating Renegade, or from knowledge aquired while working with the network code in Renegade, create a system to monitor hit locations (did they REALLY hit, based on calculations by the anti-cheat (stopping BH)), how much damage are they claiming, vs how much damage their currently selected weapon really does, etc.

Then, add rate-of-fire checking, complete w/ lag tolerance (since lagged client will of course, upon delag, seem to fire faster, etc), and option to simply "edit" the incoming packets, to filter out the cheat (reduce damage, stop bullets, etc), or kick-ban the cheater (admins decision, based on anti cheat config).

Is it just me, or does that make more sense?

The flaw to Renegade of course, which is the core to the cheats, is that unlike most other games, Renegade lets the CLIENT decide hit locations, damage, RoF, etc. Vs others which say, "ok, the client fired their pistol along this trajectory. Did they hit something? How much damage did they do to that target if so. Report findings to clients".

My only concern, is that there will be alot more teams of people ripping apart the hard work of your small team, and undoing what you have done. Can you keep up writing fixes / completely rewriting the protocol to counter them once they have created their OWN complete anti-RenGuard client? If not, consider the server-side only method, and solve it once and for all, with the only version changes being to fix bugs, and not complete rewrites which will really piss admins off (if it takes this long for the initial, how long after the cheaters create their own client to counter it will your rewrite take to do?).

- v00d00

ELiT3FLyR

ill say this again to all the TT people actually working on the patch. all you have to do is fix the bugs in the game. This is your role. dont get involved in a pointfix debate that you can never win (spoony has never managed to win one and hes a decent player) nor bother suggesting solutions for the faults in pointfix. just fix the damn bugs and you will all be remmebered as renegade heroes.

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