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Fri, 12 June 2009 18:46

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Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 19:44

You aren't listening to me either. God doesn't dictate us. We ARE free to 'choose for ourselves what we want our lives to be all about, so long as we maintain a healthy respect for others'. Just because he made us, doesn't mean we have no free will.

Wtf are you smoking... we're free not to do what he says? For two thousand years up to and including the present day, we've been told the opposite; we must do what he says or we suffer the most horrific torment imaginable. This is also supposedly the punishment for not believing it. What a fucked-up definition of "free" you have. You may as well say you're free to commit mass murder. Sure you can do it, but you'll be punished.

Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 19:44

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Well, what if my hypothetical scenario was true? You found out that you were created by a deranged lunatic in a lab? If he created you, wouldn't that mean you were HIS serf? In my position I think I would want to see him arrested.

Me as well. That doesn't compare to God though. Sounds like you're expressing your opinion that God is evil and deranged.

Doesn't it compare to God? Doesn't it compare to the creationist argument that we ought to do what God says because he created us? (that, of course, is really why creationists want to brainwash children in science classes).

No, my opinion is not "God is evil and deranged". My opinion is that this god of yours is fictional. But if the Bible is correct (the closest thing we have to "proof" that he exists, and I'm really doing the word "proof" an injustice there) then it does portray God as a cruel, unjust, murderous, dictatorial super-bully.

Altzan wrote on Fri, 12 June 2009 19:44

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Origin of life from a creationist viewpoint: the creation OF god. Not by god, OF god - and nobody's explained how that could have happened.

Alright, I misunderstood you. So we don't know how God came to be. We don't know how these 'extremely primitive forms of life' came to be either.

I really don't see how you can compare the two and keep a straight face. We actually know quite a bit about one, and it doesn't defy the rules of science as we understand them, AND it has the bonus of being possible to reproduce in a laboratory; we know absolutely N-O-T-H-I-N-G about the other.

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